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| csmith28 |
 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:07 pm Post subject: Who you gunna vote for? "Bush Wins" |
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Elections are coming soon. I'm kinda curious which way the MQSeries.net leans. Left for Right?
Personally I support Bush even though Kerry seems to be a very agreeable type.
What ever position you have on every issue from National Security to Day Light Savings Time, Kerry has publicaly stated that he supports it at one time or another or vice versa.
He's for the war, he's against the war.
He supports our troops but he voted against funding for them after he voted for it. "I voted for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it."
Kerry says the war in Iraq is the wrong war at the wrong time against the wrong enemy but if he gets elected he will be able to get France and Germany to join the coalition, finally making it whole which will allow the US to win.
Kerry has voted for every Gun Control Bill that has crossed his desk but he owns an AR-15 and has posed in photo ops with a Benelli shotgun that would have been illegal to own if all the Gun Control legislation he voted for had passed.
Kerry has voted against almost all the weapons systems that our military currently uses in military engagement including Patriot Missiles, Apache Helicopters, the Stealth Fighters and Bombers, F-16s, A-10's but he claims that if he is elected to be president he is strong on defence.
When he speaks to Detroit auto-worker Union Members he proudly claims to own SUV's and luxury cars. Then when speaking to the environmentalists he claims that he does not indeed own these type of EVUL vehicles. His wife owns them. It's not his fault.
He rails on and on about how US Citizens are being stripped of jobs due to outsourcing. 75% if Heinz Ketchup factories are located in 3rd world countries.
He claims to be a man of the people, a regular Joe but he rides around in limo's and lear jets and is the most wealthy Senator in the United States of America. I have never met a man of the people that had his own personal Man Servant.
He tries to portray himself as a Viet Nam war hero after getting 3 bandaid purple hearts but when he returned from Viet Nam all he could do was talk about how ashamed he was of his participation in war crimes and acts of inhumanity that he as an officer participated in.
His recolection of spending Christmas 1968 in Cambodia is "SEARED" in his memory. But military records and people he served with say he never even got within 50 miles of Cambodian border.
One of the other things that has always bothered me about Kerry is that he says he wants to "create one America". Right so,... last time I checked there were three America's, North America, Central America and South America. How do the countries in South America and Central America think about this? What about Canada.
Shall I go on?
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| JT |
| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Two thoughts:
1. To the best of my knowledge there are a number of other political parties, other than the Republicans and Democrats, running candidates for the Presidency of the United States. To be fair you should also include the candidates for the Green Party, Reform Party, Libertarian Party, et al. or at a minimum, those candidates deemed less worthy (remember Nader in 2000, he may not have come close to winning the election, but certainly he had an impact on the outcome) should be lumped together under Other. I only mention this, because I think the number of votes for Other may surprise you (and me), as I'm sure there are a number of constituents that are dis-satisfied with the two major political parties. Also, from what I’ve read there is a large segment of the population that is still undecided (possibly this is another category). Besides, what are we if not a nation of "choices".
2. Why is it, even here in this forum, when it comes to the political agenda, we take the opportunity to denigrate our opponent rather than accentuate and promote the positive qualities of our choice. I understand the nature of politics, it just would be refreshing to have an even blend of both. Perhaps you could list some of the characteristics/accomplishments that most impressed you about Bush.
Oh, I cannot register my vote as I am amongst the Undecided. I look forward to the remaining Presidential & Vice Presidential debates before making my decision. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:56 am Post subject: |
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I'm just wondering if anyone knows if any of these new voting machines are MQ enabled...
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:06 am Post subject: @JT |
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I like GWB because he does what he says he's gunna do.
He gave us a nice little Tax Cut. Not so little for me, my net gain was about $3000.00 after the rebate, the income tax cut and the elimination of the marriage penalty.
He is pro-gun.
He doesn't kow-tow to the UN.
GWB has done an excellent job at stabalizing our economy that was in decline during the end of Clinton's Administration, especially considering the economic mayhem that 09/11 caused.
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| bower5932 |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| I know that the old Florida machines didn't use WMQ or there wouldn't have been all of the problems. |
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I kinda found it hard to believe that a bunch of old people that could play five bingo cards at one time couldn't figure out how to work a punch card ballot.
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, I don't really like either candidate. I was one of those loons who voted for Nader in 2000, but it turns out I've been disinfranchised because Nader won't appear on the California ballot in 2004 (even though he's on most other states).
And to be honest, I didn't vote for Nader because I agree with him on all the issues, but because I'd really like to see a viable third party in this country. The way it is now, we're only 1 party away from a dictatorship 
So I don't know who I'm going to vote for, but if the number of letters/solicitations I've received is any indication, I think GW likes me a lot more than Kerry!
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| vennela |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:37 am Post subject: |
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I voted for Vajpayee. Thought that's not a direct election type (we elect the members of parliament and MPs elect the Prime Minister).
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Well GWBush partnering with Musharaff. Well the poor country has been under dictatoship for more than 44 years in about 55 years. I always that after Afghan, Iraq it would be PAK or Afghan, Iraq, Iran and PAK, the rouge states.
And surprise.... Musharaff for Nobel prize nomination!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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ok why not... although I am not allowed to vote (not a US citizen and don't live there either... ha!) but I would support any candidate that is predominantly asynchronous 
If I do had to vote and were allowed to I would vote for GWB, he may not be the smartest all the time, but he is consistent.
Some people may call it stubburn or hardheaded or whatever...
I don't think a "see which way the wind blows today" kinda guy makes good presedential material... enough said...
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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I love the people that complain about the president costing jobs. Yup, the president went to Home Depot and Stop and Shop and dozens of other stores and said "Ya know, there are to many jobs in the US. Here are some automated check out machines that will replace 8 cashiers."
Then he went to the toll booth operators and said "I don't like your look, pal. You are all fired, and we are going to install something called EZPASS, so cars can fly through and pay there tolls without human intervention."
Then he went to every manafucturing plant in the US, who used to need 100,000 people to make 1,000,000 widgets, and now due to technolgy can make 100,000,000 widgets with 10,000 people, patted them on the back and said "Thank you for eliminating all those jobs! Do you think in 2 years you can make 100,000,000 widgets with 8000 people if you buy new machinery? That would make my day if we could put 2000 people out of work!"
Then he said "Well, even though everyone loves to get phone calls selling junk at dinner time, I am gonna put a few hundred thousand people out of work by crushing the Telemarketers industry by making a do not call list."
Every few months I set up MQ queues for a new project that automates a front end or a back end process that eliminates manual work and thus multiple jobs are lost. Wanna tell me ho GWB is responsible for those jobs.
Productivity is eliminating jobs. Not GWB. Why did things seem so peachy at the end of Bubba's term? Y2K. Internet. Every company in the world was spending like bonkers to prepare. Every company was pumping the economy hard. And there was something called the Internet that came into fashion in the late 90s, remember, that required $$$. We would have lostthe same amount of jobs in the last few years under any president.
Anyone that thinks a president can eliminate jobs or create them does not understand how the business world works. What, a CEO is gonna say "Hey now, Kerry is prez. Let me create 5000 jobs paying 60K a year to do, um, to move these papers from here to there, and another 5000 people to move them back."
The only time a pres every had a direct and significant creation of jobs was back when massive goverment funded projects were started (our Interstate system, for example).
Anyone wanna tell me exactly how Kerry is gonna make all these high paying jobs appear out of nowhere. I got news for you. 01-01-2005, there are gonna be x babies born. Where is it written that x jobs all of a sudden pop up because of that. Every year that goes by, fewer people can get more work done.
Honestly, I think most GWB haters (haven't ever met a Kerry supporter, just GWB haters) understand this. But they seem to be like scorned wifes who want a divorce. They really want half, but figure they have to negotiate down, so they ask for it all.
People may legitamly oppose their oppossing canidate's veiwpoint on one legitimate topic, but they figure they gotta get their point across, so they demonize the guy. Its human nature I guess. It seems liberal democrats are particularly venomous though.
And bottom line, regardless of what happens on Election day, I am not gonna be to worried about it. It really doesn't effect me THAT much who is president. The president of the US is not a King, or a tyrant, who has total power. I am just glad I live in the US of A!
The makeup of congress and the people that the president surrounds himself with have a much greater impact on what happens. The real issue for the populatio in general is who the president will appoint to the Supreme court. THAT is how you should vote. The Supreme Court makes decisions that directly impact your life much more so than the president himself.
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Peter, will you marry me?
Oops sorry, I forgot, I am already married. 
We even bought a license imagine needing buy a license from the Government to get married. 
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| csmith28 wrote: |
Peter, will you marry me?
We even bought a license imagine needing buy a license from the Government to get married. |
Why so old fashioned?
Just get a pair of CHANNELs, can be shut down from either end (depending on the need) and
the only license you need is from IBM
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Though I'm no friend of GW's, I agree with Peter about the jobs issue. Living in Silicon Valley I was pretty much at ground zero when the economy started tanking in 2000, and the factors which caused that took hold long before GW came into office. I don't think anyone taking office in 2000 could have prevented the job losses we had here in the valley. We had built up an unsustainable economy here, and it had to unravel.
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| joehuber |
| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:37 pm Post subject: The "other guys" have effected the last 3 election |
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I'm not sure why I would reply to this topic but since I am suck waiting for info about making MQ work right between z/OS and c# I might as well...
Don't forget that Bill Clinton never (NEVER!) got 50% of the vote. Not in 1992. Not in 1996. It was because of Ross Perot. That's right. That funny looking guy. He really drew from the Republican party and most likely changed the outcome of the 1992 election. Then in 2000 Nader had an impact (albeit with a very small amount of the vote - not a Perot type vote) and most likely changed the outcome of the election.
That makes 3 straight presidental elections that were impacted by a 3rd party guy. We tend to forget about the "other" parties since the Democrats and the Republicans get so much of the vote but we shouldn't forget their impact on the whole process!
Let's hear it for the little guys!!! That being said, I'll admit that I voted for Perot in 1992 as a kind of political protest (a vote to send a message for change in Washington) but was shocked (and frankly scared to death) by the fact that he got 23% of the vote. YIKES! Ross Perot as president? YIKES! Needless to say I ended my protest voting there and now I take it quite seriously. |
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