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| JLRowe |
 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:25 am Post subject: Integration Edition anyone |
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Yatiri
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Hi,
Is anyone on the group looking at starting to work with integration edition or bpel? |
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| manoj |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Are you talking about WSAD integration edition?
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| jmac |
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Jedi Knight
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I assume that you mean Workflow Process Choreographer (WPC). The latest version 5.1 is BPEL based. Eventually MQWF will go away, and WPC will be IBM's Workflow engine of choice. I would think we are talking a minimum of 3-5 years. I am just starting to play with WPC, and am not in any position to give advice on it at this time.
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| manoj |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:00 am Post subject: |
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John,
I have this understanding that as of now WPC is used mainly for short lived processes...Are you of the opinion that the current infrastructure and functionality of MQ Workflow will be incorporated in WPC in the future ?
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| jmac |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Manoj:
MOST DEFINITELY.
If you play with WPC use the 5.1 version, slightly different than the 5.0 version.
I have been playing around with "micro" flows....these are what you are referring to as "short lived". They run in a single transaction, all automatic etc.
But you can also have "macro" flows... more traditional MQWF looking processes with Human involvement etc.
Many of the MQWF features will merge into WPC.
Like I said though... I am just starting and really can not give any advice on it at this point.
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| manoj |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:58 am Post subject: |
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You mean Websphere Studio Application developer Integration Edition 5.1,
I donno much about BPEL ..i thought they were using WSDL ..or are they both same ?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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| manoj wrote: |
| You mean Websphere Studio Application developer Integration Edition 5.1 |
Yes, this is what you want to use. BPEL4WS is to FDL as WPC 5.1 is to MQWF.
My personal opinion: WPC is the future of workflow, at this time MQWF is still the product of choice, but WPC will slowly come up to speed. Exactly what happened with FlowMark and MQWF.
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Yatiri
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It's also heavily based on WSDL, WSDL describes what parameters a service accepts and returns (portTypes), and also concrete detail of how to get to that service (service & bindings).
Quick list of thing's I like compared to MQWF:
- It does correlation on designated elements of a message (i.e. you don't have to keep track of <ProcTemplID> any more
- Faults & Fault handlers
There is a lot of the rich rules in MQWF missing though, for example I believe there are no notifications. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Jonathon:
Most important feature of WPC (in my opinion)
Compensation
This has been a gleam in the eye of the original developers for years in my opinion. I heard about it in the FlowMark days, and just have a look at the Production Workflow book and you can see that its been desired for a long time.
As to notifications:
Since MQWF notifications are really nothing more than an entry in a worklist, I don't think you will find them necessary. Using the Expiration facility of WPC you would be able to deal with notification issues. Remember, as I said earlier, I am just beginning to play with this... my thoughts on this may change in the future.
GOOD LUCK
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| manoj |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:51 am Post subject: |
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John/Jonathan,
What i feel is WPC has got more of a J2EE outlook...
am i right ?....
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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For those who want to have a look in to WPC and compare MQ Workflow with it :-
Here's link to the trial download of WSAD Integration Ed 5.0
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/studiointegration/
John, i couldn't find WSAD 5.1 trial download from IBM site...
Is WSAD Integration Ed 5.1 available as a trial download ?
thanks
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| jmac |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Manoj:
Not sure about 5.1 being available for trial download, but for sure don't waste too much time with 5.0. Looked to me like there were some big changes.
Agreed on the J2EE. WPC is totally J2EE based.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Thanks John, i was actually spending some time on WPC 5.0.
thanks
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:29 am Post subject: |
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There is a WSADIE 5.1 90 day trial download, definitely go with 5.1 - so much has changed.
The thing I like the most is that WSDL isolates you from each partner application, you don't need a seperate product (e.g. MB,ICS) to perform transformation. Once you start working with WSDL you only care about the logical format of the data, you don't care anymore about the transport.
Of course, this is only an issue if you have to perform a lot of transformation. If your applications are workflow enabled already it doesn't buy as much. |
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| manoj |
| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Could you please post the link for WSADIE5.1 trial download...
i could find only the WSADIE5.0
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