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marc.CH
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:04 am    Post subject: How to enforce AMS from client perspective Reply with quote

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The aim of AMS is to avoid MQ administrators to have access of the message content.

But AMS is activated at MQ server side for each required queue.

At MQ client side, I have no clue if AMS is really activated or not.

Therefore, once everyting is up and running with AMS, a malicious admin my just remove the security policies and get access to the message content.

Questions :
How to enforce AMS or check that AMS is still active from mq client ?
How to restrict access to the command line setmqspl / runmqsc SET POLICY ?

Thanks for you help
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fjb_saper
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: How to enforce AMS from client perspective Reply with quote

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marc.CH wrote:
The aim of AMS is to avoid MQ administrators to have access of the message content.

But AMS is activated at MQ server side for each required queue.

At MQ client side, I have no clue if AMS is really activated or not.

Therefore, once everyting is up and running with AMS, a malicious admin my just remove the security policies and get access to the message content.

Questions :
How to enforce AMS or check that AMS is still active from mq client ?
How to restrict access to the command line setmqspl / runmqsc SET POLICY ?

Thanks for you help

Hi Mark,
How do you trust your OS admins that they are doing the right thing?
The same way in MQ you can turn on the change control and have any before and after image of an object sent to a queue. You can then have that queue's messages processed by the auditors... but then again an admin could well turn that off...
You just have to have a minimum of trust and faith...
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marc.CH
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trust does not exclude control

I opened an "idea" some year ago..but still not implemented :-/

https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe&CR_ID=129594
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't find your idea https://ideas.ibm.com/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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https://integration-development.ideas.ibm.com/ideas/MESNS-I-135
Better like this ?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yep. Usual and expected reply from IBM - we'll look into this for a future release.
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