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a.zhil
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:04 am Post subject: High Availability configuration - Instable network Reply with quote

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Hi,
My question concerns the highly available configuration of the MQ.
The customer has two data centers remote from each other and a requirement to provide a highly available, recoverable configuration.
Business scenarios are running on IBM Integration Bus 9 with MQ v8.
We decided to use multi-instance MQ queue manager with synchronization via GlasterFS (in terms of configuration requirements, the file system is similar to NFS4).

Since the network link between the data centers is unstable, we are faced with a following problem - if the network connection between active and passive instances is lost, the passive instance goes into the active mode. Before the connection is restored, two independent active instances continue to work.
If a certain number of messages have been accumulated for processing at the time of the loss of communication (this messages have already been synchronized between instances, but have not been processed and sent to the consumer (HTTP WS, etc) yet), this leads to a duplication of messages within the recipient.

The question is - do I understand correctly that any HA configuration with automatic launch of the active instance strongly depends on the reliability of the network between datacenters (at least, in terms of the consequences of independent work of active instances while the connection is broken)?
At the moment the only option I see (that doesn't involve the consumer) is a cold(turned off) standby passive instance with a manual launch by the operator when the failure of the active instance is confirmed.

Thanks in advance,
Aleksander.
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mqjeff
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:14 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ideally, you would actually have two MI qmgrs... one in each DC.

MI depends on a file lock on the shared directory. If the communications between the two datacenters is broken - then what you have shown is that the file lock is dropped... (which is a bit odd)

If you are tr trying to create a DR scenario, then you shouldn't have the second DC in any kind of active mode.

If you're trying to create a load-balance scenario, then you do need two MI qmgrs, one in each DC. And separate network pipes into each DC.

THen you need to be able to process workload entirely within each DC separately - without relying on any service in another DC.

Or you could look at a cloud based solution for MQ - such that both DCs can talk to it the same cloud MQ.

Dependsd on what you are really trying to accomplish, and what kinds of data security you really need...
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Where and why is the network unreliable? Private network between DC's? Change network provider.
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PeterPotkay
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: High Availability configuration - Instable network Reply with quote

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a.zhil wrote:

The question is - do I understand correctly that any HA configuration with automatic launch of the active instance strongly depends on the reliability of the network between datacenters (at least, in terms of the consequences of independent work of active instances while the connection is broken)?

Yes. And ideally not even over a single connection via the world's most stable network - multiple connections.

Look at the H.A. diagrams for the MQ Appliances. 2 redundant heartbeat cables connecting the pair of appliances, ideally dedicated physical cables with no routers or switches involved. This is above and beyond the 3rd connection that deals with replicating the data.

Have both sides of your H.A. solution think they are active (the dreaded split brain scenario) is to be avoided at all costs. Doing it over a flaky network is suicide. Look to do an Active / Active load balanced solution if that is the hand you are dealt, which is only H.A. for the next transaction post failure, but maybe good enough.
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gbaddeley
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: High Availability configuration - Instable network Reply with quote

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a.zhil wrote:
Hi,
My question concerns the highly available configuration of the MQ.
The customer has two data centers remote from each other and a requirement to provide a highly available, recoverable configuration.
Business scenarios are running on IBM Integration Bus 9 with MQ v8.
We decided to use multi-instance MQ queue manager with synchronization via GlasterFS (in terms of configuration requirements, the file system is similar to NFS4).

Since the network link between the data centers is unstable....

Thanks in advance,
Aleksander.

What OS is being used?
If there are multiple resources that need to be HA, it should use an enterprise-strength HA solution that reliably works cross-datacentre. I'm not sure that MIQM fits into this category.
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zpat
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:08 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Multi-instance means that the active NFS mount point is used for the QM, this would be in one DC at a time, so that applications in the other DC would have to rely on the "unstable" network.

If your network really is unstable then you should provide an active QM in each DC to avoid reliance on this network.
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Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error.
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