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| imthiyaz |
 Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: what is the cost of Websphere MQ? |
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| I need to understand the cost of W MQ? Any info related to this highly appreciated. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Contact your IBM marketing rep. Search google.
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| elkinsc |
| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:08 am Post subject: What kind of costs? |
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Are you asking about licensing costs? That requires talking to sales people (ewww!)
Are you asking about the run time costs? Are you asking about the 'overhead' associated with running a queue manager on a specific platform?
Are you asking about the costs you will save by not having to write and fully test the once and only once delivery WMQ assures?
'Cost' can mean so many different things. |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Secondarily, you need to consider the cost of not using it.
What is the cost of exchanging valuable business data between two applications using an inherently unreliable protocol (http is happy to drop messages with no warning, even if under most normal circumstances it doesn't) and an inherently tight coupling (if I change one field in the xsd of my wsdl, then I have to rebuild and redeploy both sender and receiver applications) rather than having a reliable protocol that enforces no strict contract between both parties, and doesn't even require both parties to be active at the same time? |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Strictly speaking about license cost, without regard to total cost of ownership, of which license costs are only a small part, you can view the retail price schedule here:
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/pvu_licensing_for_customers.html
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/pvufaqgen.html
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/pvu_requirement_for_Intel_Xeon_Nehalem_EX_technology.html
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24020292
On Red Hat Linux, you need 100 PVUs per core (or 120 per core on an 8-core system). Most RHEL PCs have at least 4 cores, which means, you need 400 PVUs. Each PVU can run as high as US$600 per PVU. Packages from your sales rep will value PVUs differently. If you buy several products at once, you likely get a better price on PVUs. In some cases, for example WMQ+WMB, if your sales agreement is in the right ballpack, you can get some WMB toolkit licenses at no charge.
I'm not a sales rep. I'm a developer. I do not work for IBM. Only IBM sales rep can give you a bottom line price on license costs.
Most IBM products come as trial versions, so you can try them out.
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| T.Rob |
| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:18 pm Post subject: For what purpose? |
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If what you want is a QMgr against which to develop apps, there's always the IBM Amazon Machine Image. These are incredibly cheap if you aren't running a lot of messages through them. I accidentally left one running for a couple of months and racked up a whopping $5 charge.
The WMQ software is licensed with the image but only for development work. If you run a Production server in Amazon's cloud, you are expected to BYOL - bring your own license.
http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/global-solution-providers/ibm/
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: For what purpose? |
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| T.Rob wrote: |
If what you want is a QMgr against which to develop apps, there's always the IBM Amazon Machine Image. These are incredibly cheap if you aren't running a lot of messages through them. I accidentally left one running for a couple of months and racked up a whopping $5 charge.
The WMQ software is licensed with the image but only for development work. If you run a Production server in Amazon's cloud, you are expected to BYOL - bring your own license.
http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/global-solution-providers/ibm/ |
What defines "Production"?
A server that hosts a Queue Manager that acts as a hub in a hub and spoke of 50 QMs supporting all of a company's QA environment is not 'Production', but is that at the same level as a developer's personal QM for pushing a couple of messages a day thru? That's not production either... 
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| T.Rob |
| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Check the link. According to the terms:
IBM Development AMIs can only be used in conjunction with Amazon Web Services and are made available by IBM for demonstration and evaluation, education, development and testing of commercially available Software as a Service applications. You may not use IBM Development AMIs in production or to develop internal applications.
Although when I set mine up to test the functionality of the platform and IBM's image, there were no qualifying tests as to whether I am an ISV or requirement to sign up with IBM and obtain a license key. I'm sure Amazon and probably IBM have a way to see who is using their AMI but I doubt they are going to send a cease-and-desist to someone whose instance is racking up $5 a month in usage trying to develop a SupportPac instead of some SAAS app.
We don't yet have a non-expiring WMQ trial for developers but if you are arguably close to the definition of development as described in the license then this is pretty close.
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| romankhar |
| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: Re: what is the cost of Websphere MQ? |
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| T.Rob |
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Thanks for the update, Roman! I tried to chase down all the posts over the years talking about MQ license costs and update with the link to MQAFD, but there are so many.
One thing that tends to be overlooked in cost calculations is that IBM's proprietary control over the wire formats and protocols allows means they tend to become more optimized over time. Compare the ease with which IBM added conversation sharing (and subsequently modified it after it didn't work out as planned) to the struggles getting incremental improvements implemented in DNS, HTTP, and other standardized protocols.
If it ever comes to pass that something like conversation sharing is added to AMQP, it'll take years to get it into the spec and, if it doesn't work out as planned, many more to get it out. Assuming anyone would try in the first place.
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