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| happyj |
 Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:36 am Post subject: Broker V8 migration to Windows platform |
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Hello
My current client is considering migrating an existing message broker on unix to the Microsoft Windows platform. ( before anyone starts I know all about the downsides of windows and i'm from a unix background myself)
Saying that this does make sense for this client as the .NET integration functionality in V8 would be of use to them and I think with 64 bit the platform is now a viable choice.
Management also think Windows would be lower TCO but I'm not sure especially if they need to buy additional licences to get more CPU due to lower relative performance.
Has anyone done this or considered it ?
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:55 am Post subject: |
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It may indeed be difficult to get a single windows OS instance that hosts as much CPU horsepower as a single unix OS. Although that might merely reflect my own lack of knowledge of what Windows Server edition supports these days.
This might then require additional OS licenses to cover additional OS instances to match the same number of PVUs. But it won't change the license value of the Broker installs necessarily - again, it should be the same PVUs.
But you'll have to clear that with your IBM Sales representative.
This does positively affect the TCO, however. Or, I should say, it negatively affects the TCO. Instead of having to maintain one OS image, you are now having to maintain N OS images. And one can make an argument that any Windows OS image requires more ongoing maintenance and support than any single unix OS image.
But if the .NET support in v8 is of value to the company, then that value is not available on any other platform. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I am not now nor have I ever been part of the IBM Sales Force. Any comments are based solely on my own experience and should not be taken as part of any IBM policy, strategy or anything they do for anyone else.
Taking that onboard, we're planning to stand up WMBv8 on Windows for no other reason that there's a sufficiently large .NET developer base that we'd get the value from it. In terms of OS maintenance, support and horsepower these people already have servers which run BizTalk, IIS or some other stuff which I have significantly limited interest in but on which there's aledgedly enough capacity for WMB (remember I said planning).
In terms of PVUs, we're switching some (not all) from our Solaris WMB estate (which will remain, we're not fully migrating) and some from other less used IBM products to keep our IBM spend more or less the same. All this negociation is being done well above my pay grade & they're welcome to it. I can say that the pay grade in question has indicated that the perceived value of a WMB instance which uses .NET is sufficient that additional spend will be authorized if needed (but don't tell our account manager..!!!)
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| smdavies99 |
| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Windows inherent single point of failure hit a system I was working on recently. I am talking about the Registry.
Corrupt this and you are dead in the water. System won't boot and unless you do proper backups, the only recourse is a full reinstall.
Quite why people still think that Windows is suitable for production systems is quite beyond me.
That is just my personal opinion based upon 12 hours spent fixing a major registry corruption. Quite why anyone thinks that Windows if fit for purpose is beyond me.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| smdavies99 wrote: |
The Windows inherent single point of failure hit a system I was working on recently. I am talking about the Registry.
Corrupt this and you are dead in the water. System won't boot and unless you do proper backups, the only recourse is a full reinstall.
Quite why people still think that Windows is suitable for production systems is quite beyond me.
That is just my personal opinion based upon 12 hours spent fixing a major registry corruption. Quite why anyone thinks that Windows if fit for purpose is beyond me.
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| happyj |
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies
This environment here is already heavily windows so this client already has the risk! |
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