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| intisam |
 Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: Need top generate a Sequence Diagram from a message flow |
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Hi Folks,
Would you please let me know if there is any possibility to generate any kind of diagram(Sequence/Flow chart etc) from message broker flows?
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| lancelotlinc |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Need top generate a Sequence Diagram from a message flow |
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| intisam wrote: |
| Would you please let me know if there is any possibility to generate any kind of diagram(Sequence/Flow chart etc) from message broker flows? |
Seriously? Have you never wondered what "Generate Documentation" item in the flow's context menu does? Or the "Generate Documentation" button on the toolbar of the Application Perspective?
Or ever wondered "what happens if I search for 'Generate Documentation' in the broker InfoCenter?"
When I do that search, I get this as the first hit. 
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| mqjeff |
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strictly speaking, none of these responses answer the question asked.
Strictly speaking, there isn't a method to convert a .msgflow file into a sequence diagram or a flow chart of any kind.
Well, strictly speaking, it's possible to *write* a method to do this, but I don't know that anyone ever *has* done so. It would require parsing the xml that is the .msgflow file and doing a transformation of it into something else. |
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| Vitor |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| strictly speaking, none of these responses answer the question asked. |
Ok, strictly speaking no, but the generated document contains an image of the flow that's easier to deal with than a bitmap captured from the screen.
I would also assert that any requirement for a sequence diagram or flow chart would be at least 80% met by the generated documentation. Which is only a PDF & can be augmented / further processed much more easily than the msgflow file.
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| Michael Dag |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| Well, strictly speaking, it's possible to *write* a method to do this, but I don't know that anyone ever *has* done so. It would require parsing the xml that is the .msgflow file and doing a transformation of it into something else. |
I have considered doing it... for MQArchitect  maybe oneday... 
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| lancelotlinc |
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| Michael Dag wrote: |
| mqjeff wrote: |
| Well, strictly speaking, it's possible to *write* a method to do this, but I don't know that anyone ever *has* done so. It would require parsing the xml that is the .msgflow file and doing a transformation of it into something else. |
I have considered doing it... for MQArchitect maybe oneday... |
This would be really cool : r f e :. When do you expect it to be available? When will 'oneday' be here?
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| intisam |
| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| The generate document will provide only report kind of document which is not near by the sequence diagram, anyway thanks for your time.WOuld appriciate if other folks can put their thoughts. |
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| Michael Dag |
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| Michael Dag wrote: |
| mqjeff wrote: |
| Well, strictly speaking, it's possible to *write* a method to do this, but I don't know that anyone ever *has* done so. It would require parsing the xml that is the .msgflow file and doing a transformation of it into something else. |
I have considered doing it... for MQArchitect maybe oneday... |
This would be really cool : r f e :. When do you expect it to be available? When will 'oneday' be here? |
Get people to buy MQArchitect... 'oneday' will get sooner every copy sold, i can not live off air alone... 
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| lancelotlinc |
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| Michael Dag wrote: |
| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| Michael Dag wrote: |
| mqjeff wrote: |
| Well, strictly speaking, it's possible to *write* a method to do this, but I don't know that anyone ever *has* done so. It would require parsing the xml that is the .msgflow file and doing a transformation of it into something else. |
I have considered doing it... for MQArchitect maybe oneday... |
This would be really cool : r f e :. When do you expect it to be available? When will 'oneday' be here? |
Get people to buy MQArchitect... 'oneday' will get sooner every copy sold, i can not live off air alone... |
Do you have a Paypal account? Maybe you could go open source and we could donate cash or time to improve your code.
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| mqjeff |
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| Michael Dag wrote: |
| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| Michael Dag wrote: |
| mqjeff wrote: |
| Well, strictly speaking, it's possible to *write* a method to do this, but I don't know that anyone ever *has* done so. It would require parsing the xml that is the .msgflow file and doing a transformation of it into something else. |
I have considered doing it... for MQArchitect maybe oneday... |
This would be really cool : r f e :. When do you expect it to be available? When will 'oneday' be here? |
Get people to buy MQArchitect... 'oneday' will get sooner every copy sold, i can not live off air alone... |
Do you have a Paypal account? Maybe you could go open source and we could donate cash or time to improve your code. |
Even without doing something as damaging to his intellectual property as that, perhaps a kickstarter campaign could raise funds to complete a specific set of enhancements. |
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| lancelotlinc |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| Even without doing something as damaging to his intellectual property as that, perhaps a kickstarter campaign could raise funds to complete a specific set of enhancements. |
Thats a great idea !! Although http://www.kickstarter.com prohibits commercial ventures providing maintenance to existing software products. "As in all categories, Kickstarter is for projects that can be completed, not things that require maintenance to exist."
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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theoretically this is new function, not maintenance to old.
But I'm sure they'd argue it anyway.
<shrug/>
Other kinds of campaign tools exist. |
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| Michael Dag |
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What would it need to do?
Let's call it WMBDocument
What would you be willing to pay?
How many of you will buy it?
Code can be integrated into MQArchitect later! 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael Dag wrote: |
| What would you be willing to pay? |
You're competing with ALT-PRT-SCRN, which is perpetually licensed to every customer with the keyboard that comes with their desktop workstation.
This implies you need some heavy-hitting function that outperforms the ALT-PRT-SCRN function on the keyboard.
Build a better mousetrap and all that rot.
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