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| zorachus |
 Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: WBIMB vs BizTalk |
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I've just taken over the messaging duties for a Fortune 500 company. We use both MSMQ/BizTalk and MQSeries (but not WBIMB). All of my experience is with BizTalk, and nobody here does WBIMB.
Can somebody tell me about (or point me to) what WBIMB offers compared to BizTalk? We are a multiplatform shop, and I wouldn't mind switching to an all-IBM solution, but WBIMB costs too much to wing it.
Plus, I've already heard my MS and IBM reps weigh in. Surprisingly, they recommend their own products  |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: |
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WBIMB runs, at least mostly, on Linux... 
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| nathanw |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
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have just been in a company where they are deciding between WBI and BizTalk
so far no decision is made but would be interested if anyone has any views as well |
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| zorachus |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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We don't use Linux, at least not now. I can't find anything on the net. It's as if these products don't compete with each other.
Bottom line: WBIMB is gonna cost me 3x as much to purchase, so I better be sure I'm getting good stuff.
My IBM rep says there's 'no comparison'. He then goes on to offer no comparison, so I'm stuck. |
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| JT |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| zorachus |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:46 am Post subject: |
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JT, thanks for the links.
I will check those sites. I also got a reply from my IBM rep which outlines some of the features of WBIMB over BTS.
Here's a question, though: Is WBI-Express a scaled-down version of BTS? In other words, if WBIMB is too big for companies MS is targeting with BTS, I still want to think enterprise level.
This site's going to be a real help. As I said, I'm a fair hand with BizTalk if anyone has any cross-platform questions. |
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| zorachus |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:40 am Post subject: |
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All: I got an answer to the WBI-Express question.
It's not a scaled-down version of WBIMB, but it's meant to compete with BizTalk as if it were. In other words, IBM considers BizTalk to be for small and medium businesses, and WBIMB is for enterprises. Presumably, you wouldn't use WBIMB and WBI-Express in the same company.
WBI-Express is a renamed version of a product called "Crossworlds". |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if M$ has a better version of the BTS to MQ bridge available. I know that a few years back when I tested it it was awfully slow. If you write a java / JMS app that moves messages from MQ to MSMQ you'd probably have been faster...
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| zorachus |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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The version for BTS 2002 is kind of a dog. We've had problems with it (which may not be MS' fault, but still).
The version for BTS 2004 is rewritten from the ground up. Still, our aim is to remove the need for the 2 platforms to talk at all.
Nothing is as evil as a "bridge" between 2 big vendors' products. |
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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BizTalk is more of a direct competitor to Websphere Server Foundation, they both concentrate on process choreography or process orchestration(used to be called Workflow), although biztalk has more intergration capabilities - possibly stradling WBIMB capabilities.
You may want to look at the BPEL standard, it's mostly the bastard child of microsofts XLANG (from biztalk 02) and IBM's WSFL (from WASEE 5.0), Server foundation supports BPEL natively, Biztalk only imports and exports BPEL. |
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| bprasana |
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Has anyone got more things to add to it?
its been 6 years . Where do these products stand now? |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Biztalk is highly database stateful and works by polling. It is less suitable for lower latency requirements (that is seconds rather than minutes). If you tune the polling interval right down, it hammers the database.
BTS is restricted to Windows with all the problems that brings.
WMB is event driven and reacts instantly to such things as messages arriving, and unless you want to, transactions do not have to pass through a database. There is a wide choice of platforms (Win, Lin, Aix, Sun, HP, zOS).
My experiences were with BTS2002 - there may be some improvements since. |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Think of the difference between proprietary and open source software. While WMB is not open source (as far as the engine goes), there are lots of support paks and other things you can do in an open source way. For example the Java Compute Node allows you access to any Jar file you want to use.
Whereas BizTalk is more proprietary and closed. Think in terms of decades and see how adoptable the open philosophy has become in the last two decades. Then project that thought forward another two decades.
The ROI for high-volume banking transactions on WMB brings the cost down to 4 transactions per US cent (AIX Power7 with WMB 7 and solidDB). You wont come anywhere close to that ROI from BizTalk. From a business decision perspective, when evaluating the merits of both, WMB wins on merit.
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| anveshita |
| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:36 am Post subject: |
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While we are there at comparing BIZTALK to WMB, did you consider other open source alternatives?
Spring integration seems to offer more choices. Camel/Mule/WSO2/ServieMix. I am not sure of your requirements and I consider from my past experience WMB is a good product, however often driven by business ( like all Insurance companies, Banks) . Sometimes it may be purely based on decisions not necessarily technical. My two cents |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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The open source alternatives are no where near the functional level of the WMB runtime. No toolkit, no graphical design, no WMQ integration.
I am a big proponent of open source, however, comparing ServiceMix to WMB is comparing a Cessna to the Space Shuttle.
Also I did not say technical decides the opinion. I said merit. Merit != technical.
{Good} business people make decisions based upon ROI. No one can beat WMB on an ROI comparison. Not even ServiceMix.
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