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| bruce2359 |
 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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It's a business decision, a policy decision, and not a technical one.
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| Vitor |
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| Thus, as a general rule, I prefer COTS wherever possible, unless there is a compelling business reason or highly competitive open source tool available. In the environments which I find employment, the clients usually have sufficiently deep pockets to acquire whatever they want as long as the business justification is present. |
| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| john may have figured out a way to extract millions already from his client |
So you have figured out the same method I'm using to extract money from clients (though not, as I previously admitted, millions).
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| Seriously, the lowest pruchase price does not equate to the lowest total cost of ownership. If your business, say a company like Gateway 2000, is taking online orders at the rate of $4 million per hour, and your open source tool brings the entire order entry system down for 10 hours, that $40 million could buy a nice tool suite |
It's on this entirely valid point that open source penteration into many sites has been stunted. Not just TCO but the comfort of having someone with deep pockets to sue for consequential loss.
The view can be extended over the entire estate, where you can "lose" $40 million in wasted developer time if you can't build so you spring for ClearCase (or whatever it's called now).
Though as regular readers will know, I use (or try to use) SVN.
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| lancelotlinc |
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I find success in anything I want to do when I calculate and document the return-on-investment. Simple as filling out a PO or getting a SVP to respond to an email. A good business decision is a good business decision. Who would say no to a proposal that takes one dollar, adds one other dollar, and gets three dollars back in 90 days? Is it really true? Who knows. But, does your business case look sexy? Does it stand muster in front of the senior leadership team? All you need is an email from the SVP which gives any hint of agreement. Then run like there is no tomorrow. Live the dream. Shoot for the stars.
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| john01 |
| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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First, I've used the "closed" word. I'd change to "integrity insurance". (sorry my poor English)
Now, the client will have code access, this will be delivered every release. They can propose enhancements as well.
This is more or less what Java API dev company approach, right?
On the other hand, I have quality to achieve. I always have to be sure that code does what I've implemented. Thus, the client always have the warranty that code wasn't been changed to complain.
I don't want to buy this war about "open/closed source".
The client have a problem -> we deliver the solution and the code! |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| john01 wrote: |
| The client have a problem > we deliver the solution and the code! |
Well put! 
I don't know about a "war" on open v closed; it's more a series of skirmishes fought on a number of fronts by people with a huge number of individual objectives.
Personally I'll take anything that gets me through the day. Bigger budgets & more people would be nice as well.
And I dream (as previously discussed) of a nice SVN-based automatic build & deploy system. Or at least some management buy in that such a thing would be nice.
Or standards. If they'd agree we should have standards that would be nice.
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| bruce2359 |
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It's neither a war nor a skirmish. Rather, it's a management response (and subsequent policy) to the following questions:
Are we application developers for re-sale?
Are we application developers for internal use only?
Do we want to purchase/lease software? If we purchase/lease, do we want to maintain the code? Or not?
What kinds of software do we want to purchase/lease vs. develop (write)?
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An easier discussion would be cars.
Does the organization want to buy vs. lease?
Does the organization want to employ mechanics to maintain the fleet of vehicles? Do we want to do minor vs. major maintenance (oil-change vs. rebuild transmission)? Are we a vehicle maintenance organization at all?
Or do we just have cars because the business requires them? (This is the argument I use to keep us out of the o/s open-source business.)
I know we can (are capable of) doing certain tasks; but is it the primary purpose of the business? Can we outsource these non-mission critical tasks to better spend our resources?
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