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| Gaya3 |
 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: Why IBM building Stacks on WAS? |
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I don't know seriously...
there are lot of products on top of WAS,
Few of them are WPS, Websphere Business Monitor, goes on.
Are there any thing more, any reason its building on top of App server.
or is it like to distinquish between ESB vs BPM tools
Request more thoughts on this.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: |
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For the same reason Broker is stacked on top MQ.
Because the base product provides services and functionality that are useful for the layered product, and because it provides a common set of skills for administration. |
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| Gaya3 |
| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: |
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this make sense....
if i say ESB tools are MQ , MB
and BPM tools are WPS, Business Monitor and all
and make a pattern like below
ESB <------> BPM [WAS Oriented/Apps Server]
Technology <----> Process management
Where ESB and BPM are virtually divided, does it sounds good.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:32 am Post subject: |
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What value are you trying to derive from these distinctions?
There's a lot of "stuff" out there already on BPM vs Application vs ESB vs Etc. etc. etc. etc. |
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| Gaya3 |
| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
What value are you trying to derive from these distinctions?
There's a lot of "stuff" out there already on BPM vs Application vs ESB vs Etc. etc. etc. etc. |
ESB consolidates complete integration, all application integration,
once the integration is good, i move forward to manage the services [exclusively taken out from the application which are are to be served as services] , using the BPM tools.
the application integration will be handled by ESB all the services which will be managed by BPM tools. there i drew this line of border for easy understanding.
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| elvis_gn |
| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Hi Gaya3,
| Gaya3 wrote: |
ESB consolidates complete integration, all application integration,
once the integration is good, i move forward to manage the services [exclusively taken out from the application which are are to be served as services] , using the BPM tools.
the application integration will be handled by ESB all the services which will be managed by BPM tools. there i drew this line of border for easy understanding. |
There is absolutely no hard and fast rule of enforcing relationship between an Application Server and ANY technology concept such as ESB, BPM, BAM etc etc....
If you can code a BPM or ESB or BAM etc on C, C++, POJO, PHP etc etc....go ahead, no one stops you....its only easy to do it on an App server coz everything you required as a framework already exists.
What did you mean by manage the services ? If you meant using the ESB business services in business processes, then that's the real job of BPM. But if you meant doing administration of the ESB technical services using technical processes, it can be made to do it, but that's not really getting value out of your BPM investment.
You topic has deviated from a discussion on "Is app server really required for a technology concept" to "how do I demark what executes within ESB, what is BPM etc"...
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