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| mrfridaynight |
 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:14 am Post subject: MQ Server Licensing |
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Hi All,
There has been so many posts about MQ Server licensing so i do apologies in advance if this comes across as a duplicate posting. I have read the links posted here and still very confused.
Can someone please clear up how MQ server licensing works on a physical server and a VMWare server.
Example 1: If I installed MQ server on a physical server which has 2 CPU's, quad core per CPU. Is this calculated as 100 units (full cap) x 2 CPU's x 4 cores per CPU. Does this mean I am using 800 units and need to pay for 800 units? Damn thats expensive!
Example 2: If I installed MQ server on a VM (Virtual server) and I asign 2 CPU's, quad core per CPU. Is the calculated as 50 units (sub cap) x 2 CPU's x 2 cores per CPU. Does this mean i am using 400 units?
The actual ESX host has 4 CPU's, quad core per CPU. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: Re: MQ Server Licensing |
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| mrfridaynight wrote: |
| Can someone please clear up how MQ server licensing works on a physical server and a VMWare server. |
Only your IBM sales rep can clear this up. The reason there are so many posts on the subject (all of which usually end up including the words "IBM sales rep") is that the licensing deal your site/organisation has is individual and based on a number of factors. Hence your license is what IBM has agreed it is.
Sorry to be so obvious & information free, but that's the way it is. 
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| fatherjack |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: MQ Server Licensing |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| Hence your license is what IBM has agreed it is. |
So isn't there a list price anymore? There always used to be. Without this, it don't half make it difficult to do cost/benefit cases, or provide the business with indicative costs or price comparisons if you don't already have a commercial arrangement with IBM.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: MQ Server Licensing |
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| fatherjack wrote: |
| So isn't there a list price anymore? |
Price lists from a lot of companies, not just IBM, show some items as "Price on Request". A lot of compaines, not just IBM, give customers discounts based on volume, past purchases, other products bought or owned, etc, etc.
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| Without this, it don't half make it difficult to do cost/benefit cases, or provide the business with indicative costs or price comparisons if you don't already have a commercial arrangement with IBM. |
No it doesn't. It means you engage with IBM (or other supplier) early on in the production of the cost/benefit case which not only enables you to determine a price, but also ensures you've identified all the possible benefits from the purchase.
Been there, done that. Over and over. With IBM and others (like HP).
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| fatherjack |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: MQ Server Licensing |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| Been there, done that. Over and over. With IBM and others (like HP). |
Me too. And when you're doing an initial comparison of maybe 20 plus vendors you don't really want to be doing commercial negotiations with all of those in order to come up with indicative costs.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: MQ Server Licensing |
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| fatherjack wrote: |
| when you're doing an initial comparison of maybe 20 plus vendors you don't really want to be doing commercial negotiations with all of those in order to come up with indicative costs. |
Why not? It's just due diligence.
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| fatherjack |
| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: MQ Server Licensing |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| Why not? It's just due diligence. |
Because it takes too long and is too expensive. All the RFP/ITT processes I've been through only get into detailed contractual negotiations at the shortlist stage. Prior to that you just need indicative costs.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: Re: MQ Server Licensing |
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| fatherjack wrote: |
| Vitor wrote: |
| Why not? It's just due diligence. |
Because it takes too long and is too expensive. All the RFP/ITT processes I've been through only get into detailed contractual negotiations at the shortlist stage. Prior to that you just need indicative costs. |
We've clearly had very different experiences in this area.
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| aditya.aggarwal |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Can someone please clear up how MQ server licensing works on a physical server and a VMWare server.
Example 1: If I installed MQ server on a physical server which has 2 CPU's, quad core per CPU. Is this calculated as 100 units (full cap) x 2 CPU's x 4 cores per CPU. Does this mean I am using 800 units and need to pay for 800 units? Damn thats expensive!
Example 2: If I installed MQ server on a VM (Virtual server) and I asign 2 CPU's, quad core per CPU. Is the calculated as 50 units (sub cap) x 2 CPU's x 2 cores per CPU. Does this mean i am using 400 units? |
MQ Licenses are always calculated based upon CPU count ..  |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| aditya.aggarwal wrote: |
| MQ Licenses are always calculated based upon CPU count .. |
MQ licenses are always calculated based on what the IBM sales rep says...
CPU count is a primary measure used as a starting point, but in cases of VM images or LPARs it gets significantly more complicated, particularly if you don't or aren't allowed to negotiate subcap.
You don't just get to declare that you're only ever using two CPUs in that MQ install on a VM image running in that LPAR that has 8 cpus assigned to it on that hardware that has 32 CPUS. You have to get your Sales rep to agree that you're only using 2 CPus worth of MQ licensing in that environment.
And the same CPU count may have a different price for it depending on whether you have convinced your Sales Rep that it is being used for Production or NOT being used for production. |
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| olan022 |
| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: Any tips on how to "convince" them of that? |
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mqjeff/all,
I have the LMT installed for sub-cap licensing and can produce historical reporting to validate CPU usage but was wondering if there was a different way to achieve this "trust" you speak of.
Thanks!
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to "convince" them of that? |
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| olan022 wrote: |
mqjeff/all,
I have the LMT installed for sub-cap licensing and can produce historical reporting to validate CPU usage but was wondering if there was a different way to achieve this "trust" you speak of. |
Only your IBM Sales representative can clear this up. |
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