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 Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: WESB vs WMB->is Broker going out of support in future |
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Yatiri
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Hi Guys,
Just checking if there is any plan to stop the support for Broker in future as happened to WBI ICS before.
Clients using process server are in big dilemma like us, we use process server by default comes with WESB, architects thinking twice what's the point of having broker, we could save money and resources. 
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: |
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if there is no public announcement of any such thing it is not there,
so your question can not be answered.
** DISCLAIMER **
I am not in any IBM loop to know more then anyone else so don't conclude anything.
In general all technology one day will disappear or will no longer be supported.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: |
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WESB is sufficient if you are only talking to process server.
If you're talking to other things, you will save more development time and effort using Broker than trying to make WESB do it. |
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very sweet, is there any reason why IBM gave rebirth to WESB( formerly WBI ICS) again which does the same work as Broker? I am just trying to find the details.
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| Michael Dag |
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| broker_new wrote: |
| very sweet, is there any reason why IBM gave rebirth to WESB( formerly WBI ICS) again which does the same work as Broker? I am just trying to find the details. |
WESB does not do the same as Broker, if from your perspective WESB does do the same as Broker then WESB is good enough for you... think about that 
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so what's the difference you noticed between the two products.
Both perform the same transformation, routings, uses same adapters......... etc..
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| broker_new wrote: |
so what's the difference you noticed between the two products.
Both perform the same transformation, routings, uses same adapters......... etc.. |
I am not going to compare WESB to MB line by line, but for example MB does TDS,MRM message mapping and WESB does not.
If you don't do TDS,MRM mapping then from your perspective WESB does the same as MB ...
the products ARE different and do NOT map one to one CHOOSE what you need. If MB has no apparent added value to you then you don't need it...
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| broker_new wrote: |
| very sweet, is there any reason why IBM gave rebirth to WESB( formerly WBI ICS) again which does the same work as Broker? I am just trying to find the details. |
That's the 1st time I've heard anyone state that WESB is a reincarnation of ICS. I would dearly like to hear the reasoning on that argument |
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do you think it is a new product?
what's the difference you noticed between those two products?
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| broker_new wrote: |
do you think it is a new product?
what's the difference you noticed between those two products? |
I doubt there's any relationship in the codebase between ICS and WESB. |
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| mqmatt |
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Here we go. While there's some overlap, the two products are fundamentally different.
If you're hosting applications within WAS, it makes sense that those applications can talk with each other. And if those applications are talking with each other, it makes sense to be able to route and transform messages between those applications.
You wouldn't want to leave the app server in order to do that enrichment; hence the need for WESB.
WMB is not part of the app server. Its strengths are in connecting heterogenous environments, rather than the WAS stack-based focus of WESB. |
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Wasn't WESB = XML transformation only and slow (Java implementation). WMB = everything transformation and fast (C++ implementation).
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dont forget as well that throughput on broker is immensly higher than WESB and other products, so if you are processing alot of data with alot of transformations Broker will chew it up and spit in out without breaking a sweat
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: |
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If the throughput is that bad on WESB why are we giving birth to it?
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I am not saying it is bad it is good but it is better on WMB
also broker can only do a certain number of things whereas interconnectivity within ESB will allow it to interact with other apps easily
of course the major reason is that all the new apps etc are developed on java with jvms and processes whereas broker is c code underneath so it required less operating memory
i even read somewhere that if you are using processes etc then you should do them in ESB / process server but if they require alot of data transformations then the messags should be bounced off to broker to be transformed etc and then returned as this would free up ESB / Process Server to do their functionality
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