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| prk |
 Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: Open source ESB's |
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We currently use IBM's MQ and Message Broker (ESB). Due to the validation efforts involved, implementing new services/POC's and promoting them to Production is a huge time factor. So, we are looking for an open source ESB which can be used to quickly develop SOA based web services and REST style web services and which would be stable.
I did some reseacrh and found that ServiceMix and ChainBuilder ESB's are some of the good ones. Wanted to see if anyone explored any open source products and if you have any feedback. |
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| WMBDEV1 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Open source ESB's |
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Please explain:
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| Due to the validation efforts involved, implementing new services/POC's and promoting them to Production is a huge time factor. |
What makes you think that changing provider will alleviate these "Validation efforts"? |
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| prk |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| The current ESB that we have has high visibility in the organization. If we have an alternate light-weight ESB we can justify ourselves and make faster deployments to provide solutions. The second thing is the licensing costs, we don't want to have one more Broker environment and pay for it. So, I am trying to explore a reliable open source ESB. |
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| WMBDEV1 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| prk wrote: |
| The current ESB that we have has high visibility in the organization. |
As you'd expect really! I'm not sure moving provider will make it any less "visible" / important to the organisation. Whereas i'm a big fan of open source software, i've never really felt comfortable running key 24 x 7 parts of the business on it, but there will be others that disagree.
Your other point about licensing costs may be valid however and is something that you may be able to negotiate with your IBM sales rep. Wheresas open source may look attractive cus its free to install, you lose the support and SLAs that you may get from a "paid for" product which may then lead to you needing a larger in-house team to support the solution, thereby making it not really "free".
Just my two pennies though. |
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| prk |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Support issues are always going to be there with open source products but they are getting quite popular. I am looking for feedback from someone who actually tried any open source esb's. |
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| WMBDEV1 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Sure, i'm also interested as to other peoples responses but I was just sharing some of my thoughts around the concepts from your post, especially that moving away from the existing solution wont make their ESB any less important / visible to them and I suspect your "validation efforts" will remain unchanged  |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Due to the validation efforts involved |
I'm confused...
Are you looking for a smaller EJB container to do initial validation of the EJB process ONLY? If so, what happens when you next try to validate your real EJB application, and it doesn't work?
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| prk |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| No, we want to have a Non-validated instance of ESB and are looking for open source options. We can use this ESB to implement and deploy non-validated services faster. Since the current ESB instance is validated, we have restrictions on it. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| prk wrote: |
| Since the current ESB instance is validated, we have restrictions on it. |
What do you mean by "validated" in this context? I struggle, like other posters, to see what the open source ESB will allow to do quicker than WMB will.
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| I struggle, like other posters, to see what the open source ESB will allow to do quicker than WMB will. |
The main percieved advantage is to no longer need dedicated ESQL resources, since with open ESBs it could all be handled by java resources...
Well in the end you will still need resources that have an understanding of the framework and how it all works together. You may end up spending more time in fine tuning & performance: WMB (one JVM / eg) against open ESB (one JVM per instance)... and the move from one to the other is probably going to cost you as much as a new installation/deployment.
We had a critical look at out ESB and found that most of the problems did not relate directly to the ESB but more to the way we used it. I.E. moving to a different ESB provider would not resolve those problems...
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