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| LazyBoy |
 Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: |
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I had read earlier that WMB will be built on top of WAS, but the announcement letter doesn't talk about this.
Any updates on this?
Also, Error handling and auditing is one feature which needs improvement, any improvements on that. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| LazyBoy wrote: |
| I had read earlier that WMB will be built on top of WAS |
Where? Can you post a link?
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| LazyBoy |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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The document was not from IBM, I found it in issue tracker document of our project , which was talking about invoking EJB 3.0 and that document said this issue will be fixed in next release of WMB by having the broker on WAS. I dont know where that information came from. So, I was curious about that.  |
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| mqmatt |
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WMB V7 is NOT based on WAS.
And in case that wasn't clear enough, WMB V7 is NOT based on WAS. |
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| LazyBoy |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: |
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thanks mqmatt for confirming.
How abt Error handling and auditing improvements? |
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| mqmatt |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| LazyBoy wrote: |
| Error handling and auditing is one feature which needs improvement, any improvements on that. |
That's been a huge focus area in this release! (Nice plant, thanks!) Removing the CM has allowed us to fix huge swathes of deployment and admin issues. So problems with cancel deployment, deployment locks, broker UUIDs, phantom/default EGs, topology deployment, synchronization etc. etc. will have gone away now, because these things no longer exist as concepts in v7!
And because the utilities go directly to the broker, it allows a load more information to be given to you (such as node information), yet because it's going direct means that connect and deploy times are loads quicker.
There's also an administration queue; concurrent deploys are now supported, and you can see what deployments etc. other users are currently doing. Sufficiently authorised admins can also remove specific named deploys if necessary.
This complements a new administration log, which tells you what user did what and when. But for standard developers, there's also a basic deployment view, which lists what deployments they've done recently, and whether or not each one worked (and if not, why not).
So all in all, It's all pretty neat - as you can probably tell, I'm getting swept up in the emotion just writing about it 
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| LazyBoy |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Thats good news for administrators.
How about the replaying messages and handling exceptions in message flows.
I dont like to write user exit to audit and then have MDBs to replay messages. |
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| mqmatt |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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There are some improvements to the v6.1.0.3 monitoring support - if you're not aware, this allows you to grab message payload information non-invasively, including the entire bitstream, and collect it for subsequent processing - including message replay.
A complete solution for these replay scenarios isn't yet built-in, however you might like to contact your IBM account rep about a services offering called WMBTM (WebSphere Message Broker Transaction Monitor) - this may well provide what you need. |
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| PeterPotkay |
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| mqmatt wrote: |
| LazyBoy wrote: |
| Error handling and auditing is one feature which needs improvement, any improvements on that. |
That's been a huge focus area in this release! (Nice plant, thanks!) Removing the CM has allowed us to fix huge swathes of deployment and admin issues. So problems with cancel deployment, deployment locks, broker UUIDs, phantom/default EGs, topology deployment, synchronization etc. etc. will have gone away now, because these things no longer exist as concepts in v7!
And because the utilities go directly to the broker, it allows a load more information to be given to you (such as node information), yet because it's going direct means that connect and deploy times are loads quicker.
There's also an administration queue; concurrent deploys are now supported, and you can see what deployments etc. other users are currently doing. Sufficiently authorised admins can also remove specific named deploys if necessary.
This complements a new administration log, which tells you what user did what and when. But for standard developers, there's also a basic deployment view, which lists what deployments they've done recently, and whether or not each one worked (and if not, why not).
So all in all, It's all pretty neat - as you can probably tell, I'm getting swept up in the emotion just writing about it
-Matt |
Thank you, thank you, thank you. The majority of the time and effort spent resolving problems since we've moved to WMB 6.1 have all been related to the Config Manager somehow.
How about diminishing /eliminating the need for Broker restarts to pick up relatively minor changes? If I want to add a DSN name so one new flow can talk to its DB, it pains me to have to beg for an outage for the 200 other flows that run on the same Broker. Sorta like when MQ got the REFRESH SECURITY command removing the need to bounce a QM to pick up a minor change in the O/S (new ID in a group), I hope WMB 7 has some improvemts here?
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| mgk |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| If I want to add a DSN name so one new flow can talk to its DB |
Well we have made steps in that direction in V7. The mqsisetdbparms command can now be run without requiring the broker to be stopped. However, changes made are not picked up dynamically, instead they are picked up per execution group when an execution group is restarted rather than whole broker having to be stopped at once...
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well that is an improvement, glad to here it. mqsireload only impacts 1 EG and is much faster than a Broker restart. Hopefully this trend continues and eventually we won't even have to do that.
Don't underestimate the political, not technical, difficulty in restarting a Broker or even EG in a production environment.
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| TonyD |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| If the CM and the Broker database have disappeared .... where is stuff stored now?! |
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| Gaya3 |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| TonyD wrote: |
| If the CM and the Broker database have disappeared .... where is stuff stored now?! |
file system, where else, it will store it as a file...
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| zpat |
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| mgk |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| If the CM and the Broker database have disappeared .... where is stuff stored now?! |
On the file system
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