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| Ashg |
 Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: using MQ for oracle AQ and Documentum |
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Hello everyone,
I am new to MQ but have been doing some MQ admin tasks in last 6-7 months.There is a new project where we have to configure MQ for Oracle AQ 10.2 and documentum(DFS).The messages will be sent from and to using MQ 7.We are planning to setup MQ on Linux.
Please let me know if anyone has worked on similar projects.
We are planning to set it up on sandbox and I have below questions in mind
1.Do we require one queue manager or two.If it is 2 QManagers.Can we install in on the same box.
2.What inputs will I require from the application team before we start working on this project.Please explain.
I had a short discussion with them and they are looking for around 20,000 persistant messages per day ,asynchronous.Data(XML) will not be more than one mb.
I will highly appreciate if you can help me since I haven't worked on any MQ projects from the implementation stage and we have a meeting on 24th September.
Please let me know in case you require any additional details.
Thanks
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: Re: using MQ for oracle AQ and Documentum |
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| Ashg wrote: |
| I will highly appreciate if you can help me since I haven't worked on any MQ projects from the implementation stage. |
Push back on your management and get access to on-site help and/or consultancy. Your questions, though valid, are very much "how do I do this task" and there are many more aspects to this than you've discovered at the moment. If you've not done this before then you're going to have a hard time with nothing but a bunch of strangers on the Internet for assistance...
To answer your questions:
1. Maybe - it depends on what exactly your requirements are. You can have as many queue managers on a single box as the resources will support. Multiple queue managers being a good idea is another question again.
2. You need enough information to design your infrastructure. Could run to 5 sheets of A4.....
There's a lot here. Get help.
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| Ashg |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Vitor for your reply.I have asked management about taking help from a consultant but they said that we can do at later stage but let us get started with it first.I can work on it but I need some basic information to start with.Atleast some list of questions which I can ask initially from application team so that I can take from there and based on those questions I can ask for onsite consultant.I can take care of installations ,setup etc but I need more information from the implementation side.I will highly appreciate if you can provide me some basic information/tips about what I should raise or refer me to some manuals ,documents etc.
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| exerk |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Ashg wrote: |
| Thanks Vitor for your reply.I have asked management about taking help from a consultant but they said that we can do at later stage but let us get started with it first... |
Tell your management that this idea is a recipe for disaster. Please do not be offended by what follows: A WebSphere MQ solution starts, and ends, with an application and correct design from the outset saves a lot of pain later. You would not allow anyone who does not know how to build an OS to build your servers, and so it is with WMQ. Get consultancy now because if you do not it is going to cost a whole lot more in the future, especially if you have to junk it and start from scratch - what are you going to do when the budget is spent, your hardware is incorrectly specified and you need more, or more memory etc., and some consultant is charging you the earth to sort it out within the dead-line?
| Ashg wrote: |
| I can work on it but I need some basic information to start with. At least some list of questions which I can ask initially from application team so that I can take from there and based on those questions I can ask for onsite consultant. |
Again, push back on management. If you don't know the questions to ask, get someone who does.
| Ashg wrote: |
| I can take care of installations, setup etc but I need more information from the implementation side. I will highly appreciate if you can provide me some basic information/tips about what I should raise or refer me to some manuals, documents etc. |
Generally, installing WMQ is easy, configuring it is not, at least past basic MQ 101 level. I've said this before, but it's worth repeating, it has taken me years to get to the level of ignorance I am at in regard to WMQ.
Please, push back on management, show them Vitor's post, show them this one, and try to get some sense into them.
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| Ashg |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Exerck.
I have taken MQ v7 administration training and am planing to take the certification in near future.
I will convince them but I need some strong points to convince them rather than simply saying I cannot do it and keeping mum in the meeting.We are going to do it in sandbox and we already have the server ,software etc.
I know I am asking too much but if possible can you please refer me to some documents which will give me more insight about the initial requirement etc. |
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| Ashg |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| My apoligies for mistyping your name exerk. |
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| exerk |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| Ashg wrote: |
| My apoligies for mistyping your name exerk. |
No worries...
All that you can be pointed to is the Info Centre, but what that can't provide is the experience. It is laudable that you have had some training, and looking to gain certification, but for this you need someone external. It goes back to the statement I made about not knowing the questions to ask - and that is not a comment on your abilities, but on the management structure within which you operate; they should recognise that you require assistance, and if they do not, that is their failing and not yours.
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| fjb_saper |
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And talk to your Oracle DBAs. Chances are they have already implemented an MQ/AQ Oracle messaging gateway somewhere... 
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