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| gstokes |
 Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: MQ Clustering |
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1. Can someone explain how the licensing works on MQ for windows 2003 server.? does it require a license per cpu.
2. What is the minimum hardware requirement? Would it be a repository server and 2 redundant servers running the queue managers pointing to the repository server? |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: Re: MQ Clustering |
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| gstokes wrote: |
| 1. Can someone explain how the licensing works on MQ for windows 2003 server.? does it require a license per cpu. |
Speak to your IBM rep, who is the only definative source of information on the licensing deal your site has. It may be per cpu, it may not.
Using a WMQ cluster has no impact on the licensing. It's simply a way of linking queue managers together.
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| 2. What is the minimum hardware requirement? Would it be a repository server and 2 redundant servers running the queue managers pointing to the repository server? |
A WMQ cluster must have 2 full repository queue managers.
And it sounds dangerously like you're talking as if a WMQ cluster is a high availability cluster - "redundant" servers is not a concept you use in WMQ clustering.
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| exerk |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:34 am Post subject: Re: MQ Clustering |
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| gstokes wrote: |
| 1. Can someone explain how the licensing works on MQ for windows 2003 server.? does it require a license per cpu. |
Your friendly IBM sales rep will be delighted to answer your question, but have a look HERE for some information.
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| 2. What is the minimum hardware requirement? Would it be a repository server and 2 redundant servers running the queue managers pointing to the repository server? |
If you're talking MSCS clustering, I would have thought it to be a pair of servers for each queue manager. Alternatively, migrate to Windows 2008 and WMQ V7.0.1 and investigate the use of multi-instance queue managers.
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: Re: MQ Clustering |
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| gstokes wrote: |
1. Can someone explain how the licensing works on MQ for windows 2003 server.? does it require a license per cpu.
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The below is probably relevent, but your particular company may have come up with some other deal on the golf course, so the only way to be sure is to talk to your IBM Sales Rep.
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/pvu_licensing_for_customers.html
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Processor Value Unit [PVU] licensing for Distributed Software
Updated June 22, 2009
A Processor Value Unit (PVU) is a unit of measure used to differentiate licensing of middleware on distributed processor technologies (defined by Processor Vendor, Brand, Type and Model Number). IBM continues to define a processor, for purposes of PVU-based licensing, to be each processor core on a chip. Each software Program has a unique price per PVU. For more information about PVUs, see the links under 'Essentials' on the right hand navigation bar.
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| Sam Uppu |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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A dummy question I am putting here.
If a server has 16 cores and out of these 16 cores, MQ has been installed in one of these cores. Do we need to measure/ count the PVUs for all the 16 cores or single core where MQ is being installed?.
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| exerk |
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| Sam Uppu wrote: |
A dummy question I am putting here.
If a server has 16 cores and out of these 16 cores, MQ has been installed in one of these cores. Do we need to measure/ count the PVUs for all the 16 cores or single core where MQ is being installed?.
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If you follow Peter's link you'll see there is a PVU calculator 
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| Sam Uppu |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. I see that in the calculator, for a SunSparc(UltraSparc T2) multicore processor, I see a PVU of 50/ core.
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Enter the number of processor cores...I see the below additional info.
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This software is licensed to the processor core of the hardware on which you are deploying your software. A processor core is the functional unit within a computing device that interprets and executes software instructions.
For example, an x86 dual core chip/socket contains 2 processor cores. A 2 chip/socket server contains 4 processor cores. If you are deploying this software on each of the 4 cores in the server, enter 4.
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From the above statements, looks like IBM will charge to a single core if the MQ is being installed on single core on a multi core processor.
Correct me if I perceive the info differently....thanks. |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: Re: MQ Clustering |
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| PeterPotkay wrote: |
| the only way to be sure is to talk to your IBM Sales Rep. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Sam Uppu wrote: |
From the above statements, looks like IBM will charge to a single core if the MQ is being installed on single core on a multi core processor.
Correct me if I perceive the info differently....thanks. |
IBM will charge whatever your site agrees with IBM sales. Irrespective of what the IBM web site says.
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| Sam Uppu |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: Re: MQ Clustering |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| PeterPotkay wrote: |
| the only way to be sure is to talk to your IBM Sales Rep. |
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| sunny_30 |
| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| If a server has 16 cores and out of these 16 cores, MQ has been installed in one of these cores. Do we need to measure/ count the PVUs for all the 16 cores or single core where MQ is being installed ? |
How can MQ be installed on one core if system has total 16 cores?
Do you mean limiting cores available to just MQ-processes? ?
Im not sure if there is a way to do it on an application basis
BUT if a system has total 16 cores, you can limit "all applications" (or) "whole system" to use fewer(<16) cores
For eg: on Linux:
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Linux Example Change the grub.conf file for Linux
• Method 1: run "nano /etc/grub.conf" command and add "maxcpus=#" to kernel module option |
THIS OPTION LIMITS CORES AVAILABLE TO THE OS to the maxcpus #
On Linux:
cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -c processor
validates # of cores available to OS
In this scenario, IBM charges for # of cores the OS is "limited to"
doesnt care how many cores are present on system
PVU /core is dependent on what brand type of CPU core it is |
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| exerk |
| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Consider that on most 'proper' multi-cpu, multi-core systems, that micro-partitioning is possible, and that sub-capacity licensing is a negotiable option. As both PeterPotkay and mqjeff have pointed out, the only way to be sure is to talk with your IBM rep.
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| Sam Uppu |
| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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This is what we are having in our shop:
IF all 16 cores are in the same LPAR then you need to pay for all 16 cores. The only way you can license less is if the other 15 cores are dark (not turned on) or they are ina a different physical LPAR.
As suggested above you need to contact your sales rep to know what your agreement is with them. |
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