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| bruce2359 |
 Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Having been a sysadmin and sysprog, and a manager of both, it is clear that it's esprit de corps when it's my favorite o/s, and attitude when it isn't.
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| gbaddeley |
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| The MQSC exists ... |
It's the same MQSC as in Win/UNIX. You can develop and test your WMQ-based applications on any platform, and with saveqmgr (win/UNIX) or CSQUTIL you can export MQSC. The MQSC things that are unique to z/OS WMQ are very few; and MQSC will fail a command if you are on the wrong platform. |
Yep, a z/OS Queue Manager looks much the same as any other platform from Eclipse MQ Explorer.
A MQI app written in a procedural language (eg. C) for Unix or Windows will compile and run on z/OS with basically no changes. You can even use makefiles etc under the z/OS Unix System Services shell. However the world of JCL, datasets and JES is completely different from Unix and Windows.
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| gbaddeley |
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| Having been a sysadmin and sysprog, and a manager of both, it is clear that it's esprit de corps when it's my favorite o/s, and attitude when it isn't. |
I don't have any particular favourite. I wish there was something else out there that was better than Unix, Windows, z/OS and lots of other proprietary OSs. How far have we really come in the last 50 years?
But I must say that z/OS is the hardest and slowest to work with when developing applications. The learning curve is steep. However, I would class it as the most reliable and bullet-proof OS out there, packed with all the features that an enterprise needs. MQ cluster Full Repositories should always go on z/OS if possible.
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| bruce2359 |
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| I wish there was something else out there that was better ... |
Define better.
On second thought, invent better.
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| Vitor |
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| gbaddeley wrote: |
| However the world of JCL, datasets and JES is completely different from Unix and Windows. |
And gosh, how I miss it.
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| gbaddeley |
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| I wish there was something else out there that was better ... |
Define better.
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That's a tough one. I really enjoy the immediacy and GUI aspects of Windows. ie. When I do cross-platform development I always write and test the bulk of the code on Windows first. Unix shell is kind of neat but very 1970's. Linux desktop GUIs don't really do it for me. I don't get much of a kick out of z/OS. After 26 years in the corporate IT industry as a sys prog and MQ specialist maybe I am a bit jaded 
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| maybe I am a bit jaded |
After a career in IT, I would expect anyone to be jaded. Each o/s brings something to the IT table. As with everything else in life, each o/s is a trade-off.
The best thing about GUI is that I can do one thing with ease; the worst thing about GUI is that I can do one thing with ease. GUI is fun and individually productive - like spreadsheets and word documents, and interfaces to things more complicated like WMQ.
Line commands on all platforms are needfully complicated and robust. Mercifully, and arguably, we've grown beyond VI and EDLIN.
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| exerk |
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| ...Mercifully, and arguably, we've grown beyond VI and EDLIN. |
Why do people always leave the L and the E off VI? 
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I was told the initials VI were for Very Irritating.
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