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| gechu |
 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Running WMQ and WBM in sandbox virtualization? |
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Hi all,
Today we use VMware images of windows xp. The way we manage them results in inconsistent developer environments which in the long run increases the time to keep them "in line".
I was woundering if anyone have tried installing WMQ and WMB using Microsoft free virtualization software App-V or the proprietary VMware Thinstall?
Using MS terms, grouping applications is called sequencing. More info about their sandbox virutalization solution is found here: http://blogs.technet.com/softgrid/
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Today we use VMware images of windows xp. The way we manage them results in inconsistent developer environments which in the long run increases the time to keep them "in line". |
Many shops create and deploy VMWare images from TEST to QA to PROD.
What exactly ends up inconsistent in your developer environments?
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| gechu |
| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Configurations, application versions. Keeping an image running takes huge amounts of ram. Shutting it down between each time takes time. Would be better to have the ability to simply add the components that you need directly to the host. |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Well who says you need to virtualise!?
if the components and workload/utilisation justify their own hardware.... then use them
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| gechu |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| The type of virtualization Im looking for is client virtialzation. The reason is to overcome the installation phase and thus improve the managability and run software in a "sandbox". |
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| gechu |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| To clarify, when I wrote "client virtualization" I meant to virtualize components in the client system, and not the entire client like i.e. Citrix. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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It sounds to me like you are looking at two different products, namely: one to replace the base o/s; and another to update a base o/s component (a business application like Office or a payroll system).
VMWare works fine for creating and distributing a base-level o/s to client platforms. A completely new release of base o/s (usually) requires a reboot.
There are software products that automatically updates (presses out) the software to client platforms. This might (or might not) require reboot, depending on what software was updated. Is this what you are looking for?
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| gechu |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: |
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It´s actually the opposite  I want to keep my base OS and don´t use automatic updating.
I simply want to run commands at my host where I specify the software I need. Then my host will download and later run this software in a sandbox/bubble-stype environment leaving zero footsteps when exited in the host OS. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| ...and don´t use automatic updating |
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So, you want to create a software tool that already exists in the marketplace, one that doesn't leave any evidence that things have changed?
Hmmm. Sounds to me like a virus.
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| gechu |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Virus.. Nice one
Initually I wanted to ask a question without going to much into vendor specific details. You´ll find more about what I´m looking for here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/App-V
The question that I´m looking for input about is whether these IBM products can be run in a sandbox/bubble type of environment. Since different bubbles applications will need to exchange information, they must be bundled (the MS term for this is sequencing).
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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WMQ and WMB are service-provider (server) applications. Client applications make use of WMQ and WMB as transports for message data.
Your URL reference refered to client application virtualization, which seems to me to mean just-in-time delivery of the application to the client platform - like a payroll application - something relatively small.
So, are you asking if an instance of WMQ and a queue manager can be virtualized to the client desktop pc in this fashion (on demand)? Technically yes, I suppose; but WMQ has a very large footprint and it would require huge bandwidth do so so. This violates any reasonable definition of a real-time client-server application.
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| gechu |
| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your input Bruce2359. I´m thinking that real-time streaming will only be needed when a client needs a new instance or version of a specific software. Otherwise the client will run its locally downloaded instances of the applications in question. |
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