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| zpat |
 Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: Which Linux for WMB 6.1 is free? |
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I would quite like to try installing WMB 6.1 under Linux (x86) on an Intel based laptop.
Can I obtain a compatible Linux distribution free of charge?
If I run Windows XP pro (SP3) - is there a way to run this Linux as a virtual machine (again free of charge) using Microsoft Virtual PC or something like that? |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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If you intend to run it for production under a supported configuration, you will need to use one of officially supported linuxes. I do not believe that any of them are "free".
Broker itself is a Java installer, and thus not nearly as picky as the MQ RPM linux installer in terms of what linuxes you can use it with.
I understand that people have it running on things like Gentoo, and it should more or less run on any linux that has a compatible kernel and libc levels. |
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| smdavies99 |
| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: Many ways to skin a cat... |
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I run Broker in VM's all the time. It is ideal for support purposes.
As for a Linux O/S that is SERVER orientated and also free, I'd plump for CentOS. This is built from the same source tree as RHEL (less the RedHat branding) and is therefore free. The CentOS team also contribute bugs back to RH (especially kernel ones) which is something the Ubuntu don't.
CentOS is an RPM based Distro so installing WMQ is also a no brainer.
As for your VM environment, I use VMWARE Server. It is free and you can create VM's that run on Windows, Linux & OS/X although, VMWARE Fusion costs $50.00 or thereabouts. This makes moving VM's around easy. You don't get that flexibilty with Virtual PC do you?
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| zpat |
| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't care about support (from IBM) or performance, I just want one that should install successfully for playpen purposes without having to use a non-standard install procedure.
What about Red Hat (non-Enterprise) - will that work OK? |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Which release level of RH are you talking about? 
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| smdavies99 |
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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You CAN (with some effort) get WMB to run on Fedora. I ususally do this as part of my Fedora Testing but remember Fedora is a DEV system and I personally would not run Broker on it. The biggest issue is the JVM when trying to install certain components. Generally, I have to install the SUN JVM to do the installs even though I use IBM Java 1.4.2 for the runtimes (As System JVM) where the product/component does not include its own JVM.
If you mean pre RHEL version of RedHat then pretty well anything after V5.0.0 won't work.
Remember that all the versions of Linux that come out of RedHat and carry the RH Branding (As opposed to Fedora) are Enterprise distros.
So why don't you just download a copy of CentOS or any other clone (eg WBEL) that is built from the RHEL source code?
They are FREE (As in Beer) and give you identical functionality to the official RHEL version.
Many Linux shops use a mixture of RHEL & clone distros like CentOS. RHEL on Production, CentOS on Dev & Test. This reduces their costs.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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CentOS looks like the best way to achieve my (educational) aim.
Now, which Virtualisation products will work on XP pro to run guest Linux?
VMWare server requires a Windows Server host OS, so that's out. |
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| Michael Dag |
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| zpat wrote: |
CentOS looks like the best way to achieve my (educational) aim.
Now, which Virtualisation products will work on XP pro to run guest Linux?
VMWare server requires a Windows Server host OS, so that's out. |
Get VMWare Workstation, it requires less resources then server, runs fine on 2000, XP and Vista
Also with the latest version you can run your VM "headless", so without a screen and will use even less resources this allows you to have your toolkit on your "real" installation and your broker on the same hardware but on a different virtual installation
VMWare also has Virtual Appliances which you can download, so you already have a ready to go Virtual Machine with OS (even Microsoft offers downloadable VM's but these often expire...)
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| zpat |
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: |
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VMware workstation is quite expensive, I can use the 30-day trial I suppose.
Why vendors imagine people will pay more for virtualisation software than for a complete OS is beyond me.
Those who want to develop and test software for many OS levels will justify it, but I would be happy with a llow cost version of VMWare that could run only one guest OS. |
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| smdavies99 |
| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: Use VMWare Server |
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It is a FREE Download (but not FOSS but I guess that does not matter). Just register and you can get license keys for up to 10 servers( and a mixture of Windows & Linux hosts).
Enjoy...
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| Michael Dag |
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| zpat wrote: |
VMware workstation is quite expensive, I can use the 30-day trial I suppose.
Why vendors imagine people will pay more for virtualisation software than for a complete OS is beyond me.
Those who want to develop and test software for many OS levels will justify it, but I would be happy with a llow cost version of VMWare that could run only one guest OS. |
There ARE alternatives: VirtualPC or VirtualBox , but are not as good as VMWare (Server or Workstation), workstation used to be around 700-800 USD, but now it's only 189 USD! The more people use it and buy it, the price can go lower 
I am not goind into a price versus cost discussion with you, but do remember you don't work for free either... do you? 
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| zpat |
| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I work for free when I am educating myself!
I am using Virtual Box - seems very good. I've installed CentOS without problems. |
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| zpat |
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| I picked up a copy of Ubuntu at IBM Bedfont Lakes the other day. Not sure whether this version of Linux is supported by WMQ 7 or WMB 7 though? |
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| lancelotlinc |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: |
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I b'lieve the statement of support for at least MQ is based as much on the level of c libraries and base linux version (not distribution version) as anything else...
So worth a careful review of system requirements. |
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