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akir
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: handling large size message greater than 500 mb in broker Reply with quote

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Hello All,


Can any one tell me how to handle a large size message greater than 500 mb in message broker. i have no idea regarding this......please provide me information on various ways to do it such that i could know how to handle large messages....
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mrgate
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello akir,
It is possible by increasing jvm heap size of the broker in runtime. try issuing mqsichangeproperties command.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sorry for posting one more query. can you please post the block diagram of integration(message flow) on which you are working, so that if possible, you can get response.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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THANKS FOR REPLY MR Gate Beela ....i heard the max size that a broker can handle is 100 mb.if we increase jvm heap size will accept for 500mb.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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100MB is the maximum message size for WMQ and not Broker.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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akir wrote:
i heard the max size that a broker can handle is 100 mb



gone are those days.....
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you provide more information on what do you plan to do with the 500M of data
1. What version of WMB and what platform?
2. How do you plan to get it into the borker? e.g. using MQ messages with segmentation? Using a file node ?...
3. What format of is the data in (XML or mrm or TDS).i.e. What kind of parser will be invoked ?
4. Once the data is in the borker, what do you want to do with it ? i.e. what will your output looks like? Will it be bigger than the input or smaller and in what format ? What node are you using, compute node or Java?

Just use 'large message' as an argument and search the info center, you will have some information to get started.

Your question is too generic, you need to provide more information before others can help you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As other people have commented, the maximum message size is determined by the node and protocol being used, and not enforced by the broker infrastructure. For example, the file nodes in 6.1 work with messages (files) gigabytes in size, so long as you can dissect the contents into manageable chunks.

(This said, most node types read an entire message into memory at once, which means that your maximum message size is generally based on available memory.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have had to adjust AIX memory management to allow a single execution group to run with 2GB of memory before to enable it to parse very large XML messages. Once we had proved that it would work I then got them to redesign the system to break up the data into smaller chunks and dirstibut the data across multiple execution groups to be rebuilt at the other end. They were much happier with the performance and resilience of the latter implementation.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I would look at the requirements in a bit more detail and break the message up if you want good performance and resilience.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can any one tell me how to handle a large size message greater than 500 mb in message broker
It depends what you mean by 'handle'. Are you trying to process the entire file, or just trying to route it to another destination based on something in the header?
If you're trying to process all of it, this article will be useful: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/library/techarticles/0505_storey/0505_storey.html
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