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sri_csee1983
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject: Which is advisable? Broker on Z/OS or AIX Reply with quote

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Dear Friends,

Please let me know which is best and advisable. We are going to have a separated server to run broker, still not decided what server. Either AIX 5.3 or Z/OS. But still not sure. Please let me know which is the best. We will be using MB6.1
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is advisable? Broker on Z/OS or AIX Reply with quote

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sri_csee1983 wrote:

Please let me know which is best and advisable. We are going to have a separated server to run broker, still not decided what server. Either AIX 5.3 or Z/OS. But still not sure. Please let me know which is the best. We will be using MB6.1


if you are very comfortable with Unix (AIX), administration then AIX 5.3 is the best.
if not and well and good on administrating Z/OS then think of that

if you are well on both, its up to you, and should think which one is easy
to administrate.

Note: both are IBM's products, so IBM products run better on those

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it may also be a $$$ issue.

some vendors (also for third party software) charge on mips or cpu usage. if you use broker on z/os you increase your cpu usage on that plattforn, this may increase your overall software cost.

it depends on your software and your contracts, but it is worth a look before you decide
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With V6.1.0.2, the cost issue has changed somewhat:

On distributed platforms, the Broker can now be run more cheaply at reduced capacity (e.g. starter, remote adapter). See http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/wbimessagebroker/

On z/OS, there are now pricing options for subcapacity usage... (apols for the long URL, but see
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/index.wss?DocURL=http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS208-088/index.html&InfoType=AN&InfoSubType=CA&InfoDesc=Announcement%20Letters&panelurl=index.wss?buttonpressed=DET003PT011&hfdd=&hfud=&timestamp=1208864281421&user=EXT&page=1&DET003PGL001=US.en.en_US.MM-dd-yyyy&us_hc_index=default&homecountry=AMR.US&us_dl_index=ALANG&documentlanguage=en&ALLANGUAGE=on&display_index=NAV002PEF005&NAV002PGL001=NAV002PEF005&det003pef003=EXTERNAL&coincidence_index=0&submit.x=22&submit.y=14&paneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dear experts,

Thanx for ur advice, I have asked the client how much and how many flows are their usage. Based on that we will decide.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Remember as well that you have the option to run the broker on zLinux...
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JoePanjang
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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we have the Broker and other SOA components sit on z/OS. main reason bcoz the core application is on the z/os. Lpar1 for legacy core apps, Lpar2 for broker + soa etc.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JoePanjang wrote:
we have the Broker and other SOA components sit on z/OS. main reason bcoz the core application is on the z/os. Lpar1 for legacy core apps, Lpar2 for broker + soa etc.



This (co-location) is the worst reason of all I've ever heard.
Valid reasons would be to have it either on zOS or on zLinux if you are a mainframe ONLY shop or to minimize TCP/IP and gain response time... although let me tell you, this is not critical in most of the installations I know of. We do fine (<200 ms) round trip with DB lookup on the MF, with a private LAN/WAN (T lines) connection to the MF with brokers on AIX....
Other valid reasons include cost model (ZLinux /vs AIX)... although with 6.1 and the new cost models those tend to disappear...

What you should investigate is purpose suitability, expansion of your SOA world, performance, scalability, availability(failover capability), mandatory uptime, load balancing and a number of other criteria relevant to your business (TCO, etc...).

Co-location should be the last criteria to look at. But then that's just my 2 cents...

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