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| jefflowrey |
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The difference between a good programmer and a bad one is the good one can work around bugs  |
I've yet to see a programmer good enough to work around an OS fatal exception.
If you want to play around with obsolete OSes and obsolete versions of software, great. Have fun.
Just don't mistake that for anything resembling reasonable business practices.
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| gregp2 |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
| gregp2 wrote: |
| The difference between a good programmer and a bad one is the good one can work around bugs |
I've yet to see a programmer good enough to work around an OS fatal exception.
If you want to play around with obsolete OSes and obsolete versions of software, great. Have fun.
Just don't mistake that for anything resembling reasonable business practices. |
Lets play nice.
It seems you are unaware that IBM does support OS/2. No not for free but for persons like myself willing to pay. In addition eComStation (an OEM version of OS/2) is in active development with new releases. |
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| kevinf2349 |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| The difference between a good programmer and a bad one is the good one can work around bugs |
No the difference is that a good programmer keeps his paymaster in a position where the company remains flexible and competitive. Able to grow and respond to changes that invariably occur.
A bad programmer is one that hacks things together in such a way that the business can't grow because out of support software mixes and code that prevents migration because some smart-a$$ thought it better than spending the time to fix the dang bugs in the first place.
Just my 2 cents. |
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| gregp2 |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| The difference between a good programmer and a bad one is the good one can work around bugs |
No the difference is that a good programmer keeps his paymaster in a position where the company remains flexible and competitive. Able to grow and respond to changes that invariably occur.
A bad programmer is one that hacks things together in such a way that the business can't grow because out of support software mixes and code that prevents migration because some smart-a$$ thought it better than spending the time to fix the dang bugs in the first place.
Just my 2 cents. |
It seems a little strange for someone to talk about code that can not be migrated on an MQ page. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| It seems a little strange for someone to talk about code that can not be migrated on an MQ page. |
Hey, MQ runs on lots of platforms... it even used to run on OS/2.
And with JMS, one can migrate "mq code" to any messaging provider.
Every single program makes assumptions about the environment and technologies it will run under and against. In 99% of the cases I have ever seen, all of those assumptions were invalid within two to five years, and the best course of action is to redevelop the program in order to meet changing technology and business requirements.
I was not aware that IBM still offered support for OS/2. I imagine it's more expensive than a support license for a Linux distribution - and I imagine that the Linux distribution will run on significantly faster hardware. This will provide significantly better performance... and time == money.
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| Vitor |
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| It seems a little strange for someone to talk about code that can not be migrated on an MQ page. |
You've already said you're not new to MQ. One of the common drivers for using MQ is to integrate applications which cannot or will not be migrated. And it's certainly not a migration tool.
The point here is that you have clearly obtained support for OS/2; in the other post I refered to, they claim to have obtained support for MQ v5.0. But because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something. Especially if better alternative are available or there are comercial imperatives (like you need something to rely on to keep a business running).
IMHO any modern Linux distro & v5.3 are better alternatives than OS/2 & v5.0. For all the reasons listed in the post.
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| gregp2 |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| gregp2 wrote: |
| It seems a little strange for someone to talk about code that can not be migrated on an MQ page. |
You've already said you're not new to MQ. One of the common drivers for using MQ is to integrate applications which cannot or will not be migrated. And it's certainly not a migration tool.
The point here is that you have clearly obtained support for OS/2; in the other post I refered to, they claim to have obtained support for MQ v5.0. But because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something. Especially if better alternative are available or there are comercial imperatives (like you need something to rely on to keep a business running).
IMHO any modern Linux distro & v5.3 are better alternatives than OS/2 & v5.0. For all the reasons listed in the post. |
I am still waiting money in hand for one of you to "retire" your license.  |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know that I've ever even seen media for MQ version 5.0.
I might, possibly, have gotten started with it... for about two or three months.
But the earliest version I really remember working with is 5.1. I remember liking 5.2 better, and being happy moving to v5.3.
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| gregp2 |
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I don't know that I've ever even seen media for MQ version 5.0.
I might, possibly, have gotten started with it... for about two or three months.
But the earliest version I really remember working with is 5.1. I remember liking 5.2 better, and being happy moving to v5.3. |
Note that any version of MQ will do. The application is simple.
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| jefflowrey |
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I don't think you'll find anything newer than v5.1 that runs on OS/2.
Maybe v5.2 - but I doubt it.
Also, if you really do have a support contract with IBM, you should maybe have access to download your "entitlement" from IBM's website... it's worth asking your sales rep about.
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| gregp2 |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
I don't think you'll find anything newer than v5.1 that runs on OS/2.
Maybe v5.2 - but I doubt it.
Also, if you really do have a support contract with IBM, you should maybe have access to download your "entitlement" from IBM's website... it's worth asking your sales rep about. |
The last time I asked I was told the Media was not available.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I am still waiting money in hand for one of you to "retire" your license. |
Any media I might have had for software that old would have been converted into a drinks mat years ago.
I don't actually remember using MQ on OS/2 anyway 
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| tleichen |
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| ...The difference between a good programmer and a bad one is the good one can work around bugs |
Ahh, yes.... a lost art!
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