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| elmcc1m |
 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: Looking for Queue Stats on z/OS |
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| Can MQ or any tools on z/OS give me the peek queue depth used and the average message length written to a queue. |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe v6 has this capability. |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Most monitoring tools should give you that information
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| zpat |
| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Easy to say that, but have you seen the price of monitoring tools for MQ on z/OS? |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| Easy to say that, but have you seen the price of monitoring tools for MQ on z/OS? |
sure z/OS stuff is more expensive...
if everyone was running z/OS, prices would go down... it's economics...
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Same might apply to Rolls-Royce cars, but (a) it won't happen and (b) it's really not the point.
Back in the real world, management will baulk at solutions that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars/pounds/euros.
The inventive techie finds a way to do it without purchasing, eg using SMF records, API exits, WMQ V6 etc. |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| Same might apply to Rolls-Royce cars, but (a) it won't happen and (b) it's really not the point. |
Well in z/OS land there are only Rolls-Royces...
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Back in the real world, management will baulk at solutions that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars/pounds/euros. |
and still the applications run on z/OS and not Windows or Linux 
so there must be a reason for z/OS (reliability, TCO...)
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The inventive techie finds a way to do it without purchasing, eg using SMF records, API exits, WMQ V6 etc. |
yes and then look at the pros and cons of 'build' versus 'buy'... it's not only the license cost involved...
if there is a business value in having montoring there is also a business case ...
not trying to flame you, just trying to point out that expensive is a relative term and you need to consider all factors involved...
if management 'baulks', it's just not clear to them what they get for that money...
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| Easy to say that, but have you seen the price of monitoring tools for MQ on z/OS? |
Have you tried negotiating with any of the tool vendors?. My experience says that depending on your global MQ environment and vendor relationship there might be room for negotiation...
Anyway as Michael said this is a business case...
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Look, the guy only wanted a couple of simple MQ numbers. If these can be obtained without purchasing expensive add-ons then I think this is the right place to tell him.
I think you can get these stats from the QSTATS option. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Isn't this a duplicate question?
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| Michael Dag |
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| Vitor |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
| Isn't this a duplicate question? |
IMHO it's a more specific form of:
http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18596
rather than a pure duplicate. Is it still a double post? Possibly. Has it prompted an interesting and useful exchange? I think so.
(But then I think z/OS is the best thing ever & really interesting, so I must factor in my bias....)
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| jefflowrey |
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So, regardless of platform, the MQ subsystems do not keep track of the size of messages put on a queue.
This means that the only way to get the average message size over an interval is to write an API exit that tracks PUTS (or GETS, or both if you're paranoid) and stores the message size and aggregates as needed.
I know at least some of the monitoring applications out there do include API exit components, so at least some of them may be able to do this.
But you won't be able to get it from RESET QSTATISTICS or DIS QSTATUS.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| What information is in the MQ SMF records? |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| What information is in the MQ SMF records? |
I've no idea.
I'm not a mainframe person.
Is "SMF records" like EventViewer?
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