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| boos |
 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:21 am Post subject: information about 'new file transfer tool' in v6.0 ? |
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Apprentice
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Location: Netherlands
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seeing the release sheet of the new MQ v6.0 I saw this item
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Reliable file transfer
WebSphere MQ reduces the time and skills required to be productive with a new File Transfer application that provides a simple GUI tool to move files across the MQ network with reliability. In addition, simple scripting commands for file transfer enable batches of files to be transferred, triggered by the operating system, or by applications.
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I can not find any information about this tool (I´ve already searched the new manuals en this forum).
Is there anyone that can point me to some information about this 'new' file transfer (tool) via MQ ? |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Hi,
it looks like this is the File Transfer program which is also supplied with WebSphere MQ Express (not 100% sure but it looks the same).
There is a section on it in the new V6.0 information center.
it is a GUI application (have not seen any commandline switches) and allows files up to 2GB to be transferred (files are broken up into 100KB chunks/messages).
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| wschutz |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Its a very simple file transfer, with a GUI and command line interface. Be aware that it doesn't do ascii<->ebcdic translation nor even fix up CRLF.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Given that free FTP is the alternative, not many sites will stump up to install PM4DATA everywhere, especially on mainframes where software pricing is usually very high.
These high prices means that a single project will not pay to become the initial adopter. Strategic justification is seriously hard work.
IBM is missing a huge trick to increase MQ's popularity by not providing a decent file transfer feature (with data conversion) in the standard product at no extra cost. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Please don't take this as anything other than a dissenting opinion.
File Transfer, on the enterprise level, is an incredibly complicated problem.
At a basic level, it's easy - read a file, put the contents into message(s), and then write them back to a different file.
But at an enterprise level, you need the application to have availability, reliability, visibility, scalability and manageability features that are "enterprise ready" - and that usually means a database and then a web interface to manage/interact with that database. And that's only for the Functional Requirements.
And FTP is not the only basic alternative. Samba/SMB over VPN, for example, or even RJE/NJE.
PM4Data is not the only product out there in the "File transfer over MQ" space. It's just got an IBM part number, and CommerceQuest has been working on it almost since MQ was written. So it's a mature product.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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You miss my point. Free FTP is used everywhere - not because it has every feature needed, but because it is free.
A builtin MQ file transfer could be "a better free mousetrap", since it will never compete with the added cost products. |
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| guest |
| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:18 am Post subject: |
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After playing around with the MQ 6 file transfer I find that the biggest problem, besides converting issues, is that it wraps information about file name, size etc straight into the message data. This is a major error because you cant just use the message for your recieving application without doing some filter programming. You must use the File transport utility (and therefore MQ version 6) on the recieving end.
Conclusion: IBM wants to let people know that its possible to use MQ as a file transporter, but they wont do the whole work for you. |
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| boos |
| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: |
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@zpat
The reason for me of looking into this one is a security issue.
Since we already opened our MQ port in the firewalls for sending our regular messages. We would like to keep the number of 'open' ports in our firewall to a minimum. So why open up a port for FTP if we can transfer files via MQ.
@everyone
The not converting part of the tool seems very un-MQ like. What would happen if I decide to 'file transfer' a document (form instance a pdf file from an iSeries to a windows) a conversion would't be wise (or would it?)
I can not yet play with v6.0 for now but it should be in the mail soon so I can play with it myself. |
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| wschutz |
| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:41 am Post subject: |
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The Sys Admin guide has the doc on the command line versions of these utils, for example:
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/mqftsnd
5724-H72 (C) Copyright IBM Corp. 1994, 2005. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
AMQ7783: Queue name required.
mqftsnd -q QueueName [-m QMgrName] [-t TargetQMgrName] [-v]
[-l MsgLength] [-p yes | no | queue] [-s Comments] -f FileName
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and, of course there are still "Reference Messages" for moving files via MQ along with those samples.
and, of course, there are third party vendor products that can move files via MQ.
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| ashoon |
| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: MQ file transfer vs. PM4Data |
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It is my understanding that the MQ file transfer is just a basic utility that allows new MQ users to 'see' files being transferred. It only runs on Windows/Linux, doesn't seem well suited for integration with the message broker (as mentioned before) b/c you need to handle the wrapper information, and can't handle large messages.
I've been trying out PM4Data (the CommerceQuest product IBM is reselling) and found a few neat things - speed... I moved a 500 Mg. file in less than 1 minute between two computers on the network, one-to-many via distribution list where you can specify to send one file to many end-points, you can control the file transfer from ANYWHERE within the MQ network i.e. if I'm sending from A to B, C can start the transfer, data conversion between platforms, file-to-q and q-to-file for integrating with MQ applications (including the broker).
I agree that since a large % of integration is still FTP and that building (or incorporating) such a capability into MQ would be a great way to expand it's adoptance. |
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| skhamaru |
| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: PM4Data installation to replace FTP file transfer with MQ |
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Hi,
I am planning to use PM4Data to replace FTP file transfer between different applications. For transferring files between two servers using PM4Data we need to create two nodes and in both the node do we need to define two Queue managers? Please clarify.
thanks in advance.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I'm by no means an expert on PM4Data, and I'm sure that their support team would be very willing to help you.
You do not, that I know of, need to have a Queue Manager on every machine that will have files transfered to or from it. Among other things, PM4Data can access network file shares just like any other application. I believe you can also configure PM4Data agents to act as MQClients, that point to a queue manager that has a PM4Data node on it.
So you could, for example, install all the PM4Data processes on a single node, and then install PM4Data agents acting as MQ clients on all your end point machines.
There are probably a lot of good reasons not to do this, though. Again, I'm sure the PM4Data people would be glad to help you, or your IBM Sales Representative (if you're buying PM4Data from IBM rather than from MetaStorm) can arrange for some pre-sales or post-sales technical support.
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| MB |
| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Is there any Product Documentation available for PM4Data online (like WMQ Infocenter or downloadable manuals)? I am interested to see what exactly we will have to install on the End Applications that are sending/ receiving files. In the 6 page pdf I found on IBM site, there are several PM4Data components (or services) listed. Of these, I am interested to know which all need to be on Hub and which all need to be on spokes.
I am surprised that none of the www.commercequest.com/<XYZ> links are working and MetaStorm does not list PM4Data in its 'Products', 'Services', 'Solutions' section of the Website!!! |
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| ccfoo242 |
| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| MB wrote: |
Is there any Product Documentation available for PM4Data online (like WMQ Infocenter or downloadable manuals)? I am interested to see what exactly we will have to install on the End Applications that are sending/ receiving files. In the 6 page pdf I found on IBM site, there are several PM4Data components (or services) listed. Of these, I am interested to know which all need to be on Hub and which all need to be on spokes.
I am surprised that none of the www.commercequest.com/<XYZ> links are working and MetaStorm does not list PM4Data in its 'Products', 'Services', 'Solutions' section of the Website!!! |
The docs Metastorm offers online are only for customers with a login. Not sure how this changed from the past.
I know they offer PM4Data because our company uses that. But I think Metastorm may be trying to merge product lines (BPM + EAI)... |
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| ccfoo242 |
| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: Re: PM4Data installation to replace FTP file transfer with M |
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| skhamaru wrote: |
Hi,
I am planning to use PM4Data to replace FTP file transfer between different applications. For transferring files between two servers using PM4Data we need to create two nodes and in both the node do we need to define two Queue managers? Please clarify.
thanks in advance.
Sandip |
You need one Enterprise node then the others can be client nodes. So you can have one QM and lots of MQ clients. My company uses this in a retail environment since MQ server in hundreds of retail locations is cost prohibitive. |
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