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| ucbus1 |
 Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: Is MQ Workflow no longer hot? |
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Knight
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I have not seen many job opportunities now a days and wonder if MQ Workflow is no longer hot anymore. Please share your ideas.
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| ucbus1 |
| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Knight
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Am I getting an indirect message?
it seems nobody even bothered to post to this thread. yeah.. I got it..its not even worth answering. Ain't it? |
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| bower5932 |
| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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| I think the answer is that it depends on where you are at. Our workflow people are about as busy as they've always been. Other people might be 'hot' and others might be 'cold'. |
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Grand Master
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We have on application that is running of WorkFlow. But they are looking for alternatives.
Personally I was never really that impressed with that product.
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| hopsala |
| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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One of the problems with MQ Workflow is that its just too big; it's so big (and expensive accordingly in purchase+developement+maintenance) that not only most companies are not big enough, but many countries have too small a market to be appropriate for such an investement.
When ERP was the buzzword of the day, Workflow boomed; but now we are all a bit dissapointed by ERP solutions, since much that was promised did not come true, and Workflow+similar are on the decline. My opinion is that once SOA approaches become more prevalent, combined with a steadier and more standard use of XML, XSL and data propagation methods, and the replacement of steady legacy systems, true ERP will arise again. But that's 10 years from now, 'till then, most will prefer using Java products (WAS) for application developement.
It's similar to the scenario portrayed in Dune (if you've read it) - once you have over a certain percentage using a certain standard with certain conditions, a natural process of proliferates takes place. |
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| fschofer |
| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Knight
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| ucbus1 |
| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Knight
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Interesting start for the discussion.
The reason I have asked for my question is
*I am at a position where I have to make decision whether I should stick to MQSeries and Workflow or chine my line and swithc over to someother area
*If the MQWorkflow world is going to be stable and IBM promises more releases and do not intend to abandon like it is planning to do with Interchange server, I would like to develop some tools which hopefully would have some commercial value.
BTW I heard WebSphere Process Server is a replacement for Interchange server. now I understand from the fschofer, it appears like a replacement for MQWorkflow too..
Crossing fingers for more input.... |
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| surfnit |
| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: I have left the IBM Family |
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I have recently moved out of Websphere MQ and WBI Message Broker as there were too many people with the same skill set. I had been working with these products for over 5 yrs.
I have moved to another tool, somewhat of a competitor ETL space and there is alot more opps in this area. Just by doing searches for jobs on dice proves that in certain its not worth fighting with other consultants willing to work for peanuts.
Anyhow, for me life is about the things outside of work and my new job is allowing to find balance. |
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| hopsala |
| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:21 am Post subject: Re: I have left the IBM Family |
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Guardian
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| surfnit wrote: |
| I have recently moved out of Websphere MQ and WBI Message Broker as there were too many people with the same skill set. |
Interesting, I'd say that in my local market there are very few people with good MQ skills, and there are are courses every month (I am an IBM instructor) to train more, due to increasing demand. I would even say there are only 10 truely good MQ architects in the Israeli market at this time, and I don't see a potential increase, due to the subtlety, variety and complexity of WMQ knowledge and design. (p.s the Israeli market has quite a large hightech industry, in european standards and even worldwide)
I wonder if this is the state in other countries... Is it? |
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yatiri
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Location: South East London
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Hopsala,
What would the Israeli job market be like for me?
My wife is Israeli, and we toy with going back to work for a while.
I don't speak hebrew, have native english, UK citizen.
Skills I have are: WMQ, WMB, WAS, Java, J2EE, ICS, Workflow, Process Choreographer |
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| fschofer |
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| gorilla |
| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Something to add to the information in the BPMS report:
There is a new product based on the same technology as WebSphere Process Server called "WebSphere Enterprise Service Bus". It's not officially announced, but there is plenty of material on it , such as here:
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/wsesb/
An easy way to distinguish the roles of WPS/WESB: WESB occupies the same functional space as the MQ Message Broker, WPS the same space as MQWF. WESB is included as a component in WPS, and also availiable separately - similar to the Event Broker / Message Broker relationship in WMB.
WESB speaks XML (and IBM Adapter Business Objects) for data representation; and WMQ, JMS, the IBM Adapter interface, and Web Services for comms. Mapping via a builtin feature or XSLT, XPath supported for tree navigation. The development tooling is part of WID (as shown in the BPMS report). WESB includes most of the WISC capabilities which WMB V5 doesn't have such as Business Objects, xref tables, etc (WMB V6 has filled in a lot of the gaps though).
WPS and WESB are based on WAS V6, which pretty much explains why there is such a lot of product churn: first a WAS which is good enough to build servers on, then a bunch of products which take advantage of that.
The differences between WESB and WMB are such that it seems entirely possible that one customer would want both. WESB will obviously be very convenient for a WAS/WPS user. OTOH WMB still has the speed advantage (*very* important for anyone building a real SOA infrastructure) and support for legacy (like all those non-XML WMQ messages  . |
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