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| csmith28 |
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| Anonymous wrote: |
| hey, FU bduncan! |
Easy Conan, Brandon Duncan owns this site.
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| OmPat |
| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Easy Dude.... Bduncan has done a great service to MQ Community by maintaining this great forum.... I really appreciate his great work...
Thanks a bunch..
~Om
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| Lisa |
| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:53 am Post subject: bduncan |
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With comments like "FU" being posted on his website, maybe it's time for Brandon to remove the "Guest" option from this website.
Hey "Guest", don't bite the hand that feeds you!
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| loinking |
| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Hey Bduncan,
U have done great job ..having this website ...I thank you from bottom of my heart.
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: bduncan |
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| Lisa wrote: |
With comments like "FU" being posted on his website, maybe it's time for Brandon to remove the "Guest" option from this website.
Hey "Guest", don't bite the hand that feeds you!
Lisa |
I tend to agree.
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:18 am Post subject: |
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I'm actually amazed at how few comments like these I've had to deal with over the past few years... Most everyone here is well-behaved 
But at some point, people aren't going to post their job openings if their postings get hijacked with political talk, humor, and outright hostility to the rate they're offering!
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| Guest |
| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Whats happening |
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Guy, I don't know when this outsourcing gona stop. Those guys taking away our jobs .
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Then I suggest you find a niche and prove to your clients or boss why they cannot outsource your work. If you do pure mq admin, websphere admin, no offense, but these are jobs a monkey can do. If you are more on the innovation and architecture then your job will most likely be ok provided you do a good job and can adapt quickly.
It has been my experience that people who do not understand the business side of the technology they are working with will and are being outsourced. The people who gather requirements, and adapt to these ever changing things will always have a place in our industry.
Let the cheap labor go over seas, there is alot of dead weight in IT. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| I agree! Quit your whining! |
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| fundu78 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:48 am Post subject: i disagree |
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I disagree with "Let the cheap labor go over seas, there is a lot of dead weight in IT".yes agreed, there are a lot of call centers being outsourced to India for the reason of being cheap.But When it comes to IT business development and R&D.I don’t think that statement holds true. Firstly there are more well trained people in India than in the united states. The whole process of recruitment is different. In the united states its by elimination and in India its by selection. The selection process is depended on not only knowledge of computer science but in aptitude and math. I have seen recruitment test which can put GRE or other standardized tests to shame. I have worked with some very smart and able people in the united states. when it comes to dead weight I have seen more around here .
I have seen teams in my work place, who’s work load could probably be done by a couple of people. The technical competence of team leads, Data architect’s, project managers, implementation managers , etc is hilarious. I have never seen(only on one occasion and this is a collective opinion of my peers and friends who work in the IT industry here in the united states) a project manage who is technically sound and can contribute more to the thought process then just being a paper pusher. In India you become a tech lead or project manager after years of experience in getting their hands dirty and of course an advanced degree always helps. When things go tough they have the ability to role their sleeves and jump right in. If IT industry in India are taking dead weight off your hands, then why are INTEL, CISCO, Microsoft, IBM ,ORACLE ,Google (to name a few) etc have Research and development centers in India ?.
The work ethics are mind blowing, I know people who spend 16 hours a day coding, but again don’t get the impression of a sweatshop. As for Big john’s famous quote “how many bowls of rice does one get for this kinda work ??? “.They pay and perks are very good. Agreed You get more pay in the united states then in India. But India is not united states or vice versa when it comes to comparing dollar to the rupee. The most important thing is service and cost are cheap. Getting a $70,000/year job can be equated to getting a $30,000 /year job in India or less (That works out to be approx rupees 1350000/year).People with 2 to 4 years experience get around Rs 400000 to Rs 800000.Now just to give you a gist , an lousy one bedroom apparent here in Chicago can cost me minimum 700 $ , one can get a big three Bedroom apartment in say Bangalore for say 250.A townhouse that cost here around $150,000 could cost you half the cost. Hence mortgage could cost you around 350 – 400 dollars. High speed internet cable around $10 , cable TV with HBO the works around $8.You get the general idea as to what I am trying to point out. This is one thing I noticed if the pay is not equal or above to the American pay for a particular job in an foreign land then its not good enough. But the factor that things are not the same everywhere as in America is not considered. Agreed We do have less paying jobs in the subcontinent when compared to the same kind in the US , there are issues that need to be urgently addressed. But what country does not have its own issues, agenda and process to work things out. You do get most of the consumer products and technology that are available in the united states and yes not everyone can afford it in India. But then again can everyone in the America afford everything they want ? I don’t mean to get carried away with this ,I just wanted the readers to know that things work differently in different parts of the world. Not every place in the world has to be a mirror of the US.I love America for what it stands for and its definitely an awesome experience. I know that outsourcing is right now an debatable policy. But branding some of the work done by our peers in different parts of the world as dead weight, how many bowls of rice does it pay , let the cheap labor go, etc is down right sad. Forget about outsourcing lets at least give some professional courtesy and recognization.
Note: Why does any job posting from india, singapore etc is received as a threat and denounced.Is this posting site strictly for american jobs or for the worlds messaging systems professionals too ?
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| chanduy9 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Hi Guys,
Stop stepping on each others toes...I think people are misusing this site....i think this site is meant for helping people in MQ...this is not a good place to share this kind if ideas.....
Hey bduncan..sorry to see unprofessional comments on you!!!
Hey...guys be professional...
If I am wrong...I am sorry.......
Thanks,
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:29 am Post subject: |
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I could care less where it is done if the job is well done, whether it is fo 70K or 30K.
What I do care is that 70K (or 30K, or $1) is gone from our economy. Its not being spent at the store owned by people I know. You can give the job to whoever for whatever, as long as they spend that money here.
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| kingsley |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:46 am Post subject: Remove this posting from the Forum |
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Hi Duncan,
This posting has made a lot of music in the MQ Community which is not worthy.
I would suggest you to remove this posting so that it does not annoy anyone
In future also, as you come across posting which are not necessary, with true judgement, i would prefer it to be revoked. |
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Padawan
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I've moved this discussion out of job postings (since it's clearly been hijacked from it's original purpose) and put a copy of the original posting there.
Please do NOT post your comments/ideas/views/etc in the job postings forum. If you see someone who does, rather than responding to them, just send me a private message to remove it.
I'm going to be watching the job postings forum more closely and I expect people to follow the rules.
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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As for all this discussion on the outsourcing debate, I'll let it continue for now, as long as it stays in the General Discussion forum.
But I ask you, please remember that there are people who use this site who are on both sides of the debate. There are some people here who have lost their job because of outsourcing, and there are others who are now employed because a company chose to move a job to their country. Making a blanket statement like "Outsourcing is evil" or "Outsourcing is great" will only inflame people.
And remember, nothing we say in this forum will change anything. It's not like the CEOs of these companies are reading these posts and using it to influence their decision on outsourcing. We are all just engineers afterall 
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Brandon, you are definitly more tollerant than me. I would have deleted or edited the "FU" post made by "Anonymous" if I had the authority.
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