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| RogerLacroix |
 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:54 am Post subject: Windows 2000 Server and CSD07 |
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Jedi Knight
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All,
My turn to ask for help. 
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Windows 2000 Server SP4 (dual CPU)
Today I installed WMQ v5.3 with CSD01 using Terminal Services (to D: drive of server) and the install went fine (I copied the CD to a local drive then did the install from it). As I said, everything went fine and I reboot the server.
After the reboot, I downloaded CSD07. First I stopped the MQ Services and clicked 'Hide the icon'. Check Task Manager for any AMQ*** or RUNMQ*** tasks and there were none.
Under Terminal Services launched the CSD07 (U200212A.exe) and goes fine until it gets to'Checking files; please wait' (the 2nd time). Then I get the following error:
IBM WebSphere MQ files are in use. Stop activity and retry. (AMQ4757)
I have rebooted the server 2 twice now, stopped services, checked the Task Manager and I don't see anything MQ related running. I have NOT even defined a queue manager yet on this server!!
Could it be a problem with Terminal Services?? Or is CSD07 like CSD06 where it wasn't fully baked by IBM?
Jeff, Jason, Charlie, etc. any thoughts? or anyone else?
Regards,
Roger lacroix
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Typically, when I've seen this kind of problem, it's been because of the Alert Monitor.
But that should still show up as an AMQ* process. Unless your Terminal Services Task Manager isn't set up to "Show All Processes".
There is a log file from the installer (somewhere... I don't remember where). It should tell you which files are "in use", so you can manually intervene if necessary - by renaming the files in question.
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| EddieA |
| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen a problem where something to do with Windows Instrumentation was the culprit.
There's also a command line override to say "Ignore files in use". But I can't remember it off hand. 
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| Albator |
| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Voyager
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I had this problem 2 days ago on my cluster server (Win2k) and I had to stop the following services:
- Norton Antivirus
- Windows Management Intrumentation
Also, some Compaq Services are known to have a handle on MQ files.
Anyways, this worked for me! |
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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All,
Thanks for your comments.
No matter how many things I stopped and how many times I rebooted the server, I had the problem with locked files.
Besides what mentioned above, here is what I did to resolve the problem:- Removed the MQ Taskbar icon from the Startup folder
- Set the "IBM MQ Series" service to 'Manual' then REBOOTED.
- Tried the CSD07 install again and of course it failed
- Checked the CSD install log by doing the following command: notepad %TEMP%\amqicsdn.txt
- Search for the string 'Target file is in use'
- For each entry found (I had 5), renamed it to 'roger_amq*****'
- REBOOTED again.
- After the the reboot, deleted the 'roger_amq*****' files
- Tried the CSD07 install again and this time it worked.
- REBOOT again.
- Put back the Task Bar icon in the startup folder
- Set the "IBM MQ Series" service to 'Automatic' and started the service.
- REBOOTED one last time to make sure everything worked and it did.
Now mqver gives 530.7 CSD07. Yeah!!!
Regards,
Roger Lacroix
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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- Checked the CSD install log by doing the following command: notepad %TEMP%\amqicsdn.txt
- Search for the string 'Target file is in use'
- For each entry found (I had 5), renamed it to 'roger_amq*****'
- REBOOTED again.
- After the the reboot, deleted the 'roger_amq*****' files
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So at this point your system was completly missing those 5 amq* files?  I assume you assumed that the CSD07 would rebuild them if they were missing at CSD07 install time?
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, that is true, I DID make a BIG assumption but it did work.  I didn't think about it until now (a little too trusting).
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:08 am Post subject: |
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While I agree with Peter that you were maybe a little hasty in deleting those files...
I'm fairly confident that the installer wouldn't have complained about them if it was not going to be replacing them.
But, I still would have left the renamed versions around until after the CSD was successfully installed, and then made sure.
The other thing that's known to have a lock on MQ files is any sort of MQ monitoring agent or aparatus. I'm sure you would have turned that off, though, if you had one running.
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| JasonE |
| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:57 am Post subject: |
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What were the files?
MQPINUSEOK=1 should allow the install even if files are in use.
The other issue I have seen are JVM's loading com.ibm.mq.jar even if they are not running MQ java programs due to classpath searches caching them! |
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Here is the snap of the amqicsdn.txt file:
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16:13:15 File name 'amqxcsn.dll'
16:13:15 Features: 'Server,Client', platforms: 'nt'
16:13:15 Target file is 'D:\Program Files\IBM\WebSphere MQ\bin\amqxcsn.dll'
16:13:15 ***Target file is in use
16:13:15 version '5.300.100.2283', time 'Oct 11 2002 at 00:00' (126787680000000000)
16:13:15 Source file is 'C:\Program Files\IBM\Source\WebSphere MQ CSD07 EnUs\CSD00020\amqxcsn.dll'
16:13:15 version '5.300.700.4148', time 'May 27 2004 at 05:00' (127301076000000000)
16:13:15 to be processed
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16:13:16 File name 'amqxcs2.dll'
16:13:16 Features: 'Server,Client', platforms: ''
16:13:16 Target file is 'D:\Program Files\IBM\WebSphere MQ\bin\amqxcs2.dll'
16:13:16 ***Target file is in use
16:13:16 version '5.300.100.2283', time 'Oct 11 2002 at 00:00' (126787680000000000)
16:13:16 Source file is 'C:\Program Files\IBM\Source\WebSphere MQ CSD07 EnUs\CSD00001\amqxcs2.dll'
16:13:16 version '5.300.700.4148', time 'May 27 2004 at 05:00' (127301076000000000)
16:13:16 to be processed
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16:13:18 File name 'amqmperf.dll'
16:13:18 Features: 'GuiAdmin', platforms: ''
16:13:18 Target file is 'D:\Program Files\IBM\WebSphere MQ\bin\amqmperf.dll'
16:13:18 ***Target file is in use
16:13:18 version '5.300.100.2283', time 'Oct 11 2002 at 00:00' (126787680000000000)
16:13:18 Source file is 'C:\Program Files\IBM\Source\WebSphere MQ CSD07 EnUs\CSD00001\amqmperf.dll'
16:13:18 version '5.300.700.4148', time 'May 27 2004 at 05:00' (127301076000000000)
16:13:18 to be processed
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16:13:22 File name 'amqmgs.dll'
16:13:22 Features: 'Server', platforms: ''
16:13:22 Target file is 'D:\Program Files\IBM\WebSphere MQ\bin\amqmgs.dll'
16:13:22 ***Target file is in use
16:13:22 version '5.300.100.2283', time 'Oct 11 2002 at 00:00' (126787680000000000)
16:13:22 Source file is 'C:\Program Files\IBM\Source\WebSphere MQ CSD07 EnUs\CSD00001\amqmgs.dll'
16:13:22 version '5.300.700.4148', time 'May 27 2004 at 05:00' (127301076000000000)
16:13:22 to be processed
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16:13:22 File name 'amqmgs.dll'
16:13:22 Features: 'Server', platforms: ''
16:13:22 Target file is 'D:\Program Files\IBM\WebSphere MQ\bin\amqmgs.dll'
16:13:22 ***Target file is in use
16:13:22 version '5.300.100.2283', time 'Oct 11 2002 at 00:00' (126787680000000000)
16:13:22 Source file is 'C:\Program Files\IBM\Source\WebSphere MQ CSD07 EnUs\CSD00001\amqmgs.dll'
16:13:22 version '5.300.700.4148', time 'May 27 2004 at 05:00' (127301076000000000)
16:13:22 to be processed |
Also, I have read many posting where the MQPINUSEOK flag doesn't work. Hence, I didn't use it.
Regards,
Roger Lacroix
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| bower5932 |
| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| I've seen problems with the above files in use because of the Windows Management Instrumentation service. |
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| JasonE |
| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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I havent seen any problems where the flag (when supplied currectly  ) doesnt work (and I would believe it would be a defect if it doesnt work)
The file amqmperf.dll is the performance counters. As I understand it, once the performance counters have been loaded by a process, they cant be unloaded (not just MQ ones) without the process ending, but I have never checked this. (Maybe it was just a particular pgm which had this, my memory is lapsing...).
You can use process explorer with lower pane view set to DLLS to work out which process has it loaded. Windows is telling us the file is in use during the check, and hence we dont even try to do anything with it (as it wouldnt allow us if it really is in use). MQPINUSEOK means we do a deferred install on the next reboot. |
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| sebastianhirt |
| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I know it is not really a help, and this post is not adding any value to this Thread....
But I had the same problem today... What I did was...
1. Tried to install... Didn't work 
2. Killed each and every MQ process that was remaining
3. Still didn't work
4. Went to lunch for about 2 hours.
5. Had a long phone call
6. Did some other things
6. Tried it again
And suddenly it worked. Without changing anything. 
Don't get me wrong. I love Windows. But sometimes it is a really wired OS.
cheers and good luck |
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| Heinz57 |
| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| JasonE |
| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| That wont work for jvms which have loaded com.ibm.mq.jar... |
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