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| emiddleware |
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| as publish / subscribe node is deprecated in IIB .. *** pls correct me if I am wrong *** |
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| Who told you that? Link please... |
I was looking for pub-sub nodes in the IIB toolkit .. I could not find them under palette section .. The pub sub functionality will have to be migrated to mq 7.5 ..
Pub/Sub nodes are not deprecated to my knowledge.  |
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| emiddleware |
| Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Note also that this migration happened not in IIBv9 but in WMBv7, which was the first version to use the queue manager for pub / sub support. |
Do you any team member / other link of steps who has done migration to IIB v9 from WMB 6 for pub-sub ? I need guidance here. I am stuck.
The tasks mentioned in the link https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSMKHH_9.0.0/com.ibm.etools.mft.doc/bq13250_.htm lists that wmb broker should be stopped.
I would imagine (given the constraint I mentioned above on detailed understanding) the steps would be something like:
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- arrange a meeting with these other teams
- explain the version of WMB they're using is hopelessly old and out of support
- determine the least disruptive time to migrate
- migrate at that time |
I am in process of it . I am still exploring in IIB to come out with initial solution.
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| smdavies99 |
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do you not have system where you can try all this out?
You could even go as far a creating a V7 broker and seeing for yourself how the Pub/Sub works.
Believe me, having it all done in MQ is a lot more logical.
One of my flows has even had the Publish node replaced with an MQOutput. The target Queue is an Alias one (MQ V7 and above) with the target type set as Topic. If your publish requirements are simple then that may even be a way to do it.
With a V7 broker working then upgrading to V9 is as simple as using the 'mqismigratecomponents' command.
I am upgrading several Broker V7 systems to IIB 9. I've done all the trial and error in a series of VM's. Now I can do the upgrade in around 4 hours.
The Pub/Sub engine changed with MQ7/Broker 7. Get that sorted in some test systems first. What happens if you try to deploy the migrated flow to a V7 broker? Go on try a few things out.
You seem to be stuck on the state of the broker when you do a migration.
Why on earth do you think it can be running when you migrate it?
Do you not stop the broker to apply a fixpack?
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If you have a decent set of scripts that will create the QMGR and the Broker then why not just create a totally new QMGR/Broker (with V7) and just get on with it? (if you don't theny why not? Now might be the time to get that sorted out)
It may make further upgrades easier especially when you get to MQ8 and the security changes you will need to make.
If you are really stuck and can't make any progress you may have to pay someone to come in and do it for you. Those of us who have replied here have our own jods to do. We can't do yours for you FOC
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| fjb_saper |
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| emiddleware wrote: |
I was looking for pub-sub nodes in the IIB toolkit .. I could not find them under palette section .. The pub sub functionality will have to be migrated to mq 7.5 .. |
Did you look under routing?
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| Vitor |
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| If you are really stuck and can't make any progress you may have to pay someone to come in and do it for you. Those of us who have replied here have our own jobs to do. We can't do yours for you FOC |
You really do seem to be thrashing about in the water here. Also (because you're moving so many versions forward) the water is deeper than you'd expect.
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| emiddleware |
| Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| smdavies99 wrote: |
do you not have system where you can try all this out?
You could even go as far a creating a V7 broker and seeing for yourself how the Pub/Sub works.
Believe me, having it all done in MQ is a lot more logical.
One of my flows has even had the Publish node replaced with an MQOutput. The target Queue is an Alias one (MQ V7 and above) with the target type set as Topic. If your publish requirements are simple then that may even be a way to do it.
With a V7 broker working then upgrading to V9 is as simple as using the 'mqismigratecomponents' command.
I am upgrading several Broker V7 systems to IIB 9. I've done all the trial and error in a series of VM's. Now I can do the upgrade in around 4 hours.
The Pub/Sub engine changed with MQ7/Broker 7. Get that sorted in some test systems first. What happens if you try to deploy the migrated flow to a V7 broker? Go on try a few things out.
You seem to be stuck on the state of the broker when you do a migration.
Why on earth do you think it can be running when you migrate it?
Do you not stop the broker to apply a fixpack?
Finally,
If you have a decent set of scripts that will create the QMGR and the Broker then why not just create a totally new QMGR/Broker (with V7) and just get on with it? (if you don't theny why not? Now might be the time to get that sorted out)
It may make further upgrades easier especially when you get to MQ8 and the security changes you will need to make.
If you are really stuck and can't make any progress you may have to pay someone to come in and do it for you. Those of us who have replied here have our own jods to do. We can't do yours for you FOC |
Thanks smdavies. I will look for trial version of WMB v7. If not then I will have to try with version 8.
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| emiddleware |
| Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| fjb_saper wrote: |
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I was looking for pub-sub nodes in the IIB toolkit .. I could not find them under palette section .. The pub sub functionality will have to be migrated to mq 7.5 .. |
Did you look under routing? |
Yes. I could see "Publication" under Routing.. Thanks.
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| emiddleware wrote: |
Thanks smdavies. I will look for trial version of WMB v7. If not then I will have to try with version 8. |
If you have a license for IIB 9 then you have the rights to use any version what was in support at the time your license is valid.
So don't look for a trial version of V7, go get the proper V7 release + FixPacks.
your Company IBM Id should give you access to it.
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| Vitor wrote: |
| smdavies99 wrote: |
| If you are really stuck and can't make any progress you may have to pay someone to come in and do it for you. Those of us who have replied here have our own jobs to do. We can't do yours for you FOC |
You really do seem to be thrashing about in the water here. Also (because you're moving so many versions forward) the water is deeper than you'd expect. |
Exactly. Small steps and all that. MQ 7/Broker 7 is easier to go to than trying to go from MQ6/Broker 6.1 to MQ 8/IIB 9.
Or as I suggested create a MQ 7/Broker 7 environment, get everything working in that (including client access to the QM) and THEN and only then think about going to MQ8, then IIB 9
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks smdavies. I will look for trial version of WMB v7. If not then I will have to try with version 8. |
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If you have a license for IIB 9 then you have the rights to use any version what was in support at the time your license is valid.
So don't look for a trial version of V7, go get the proper V7 release + FixPacks.
your Company IBM Id should give you access to it. |
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Hi SmDavies,
I don't have the licence version. The only licence version is WMB v6.1 with MQ v6 which is currently running in the production environment.
The client wants me to identify if migrating to IIB will provide us with any added benefit of a more advanced development environment. As an exercise, should also know the effort required for migration.
My approach - I downloaded trial version of IIB v9 in my Windows and also MQ v7.5 . I exported the WMB 6.1 (normalizer and denormalizer flow) and imported to my IIB v9 toolkit. Side by side trying all my possible ways to run atleast the normalizer and see the working example to demo to my client.
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| Vitor |
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| The client wants me to identify if migrating to IIB will provide us with any added benefit of a more advanced development environment. As an exercise, should also know the effort required for migration. |
Then you should probably settle down to do what your client is paying you (and not us) to do.
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| My approach - I downloaded trial version of IIB v9 in my Windows and also MQ v7.5 . |
That's a neat trick, given that IIBv9 doesn't have a trial edition. If you looked at the version with more care than you're looking at the documentation you'd realise that it's a full license Developer edition (and that it still has a JCN)
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| I exported the WMB 6.1 (normalizer and denormalizer flow) and imported to my IIB v9 toolkit. Side by side trying all my possible ways to run atleast the normalizer and see the working example to demo to my client. |
Well that doesn't sound too hard.
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