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| mgm |
 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:20 am Post subject: ISO8583 protocol support with broker |
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Dears,
I wonder if anyone has used Message Broker to integrate with banking system using ISO8583 protocol.
I appreciate if you can share any experience/best practices on such integration |
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| fatherjack |
| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: Re: ISO8583 protocol support with broker |
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| mgm wrote: |
| I wonder if anyone has used Message Broker to integrate with banking system using ISO8583 protocol. |
Apparently they have. Just do a search and and you'll find a number of hits.
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| mgm |
| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: Re: ISO8583 protocol support with broker |
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| fatherjack wrote: |
| mgm wrote: |
| I wonder if anyone has used Message Broker to integrate with banking system using ISO8583 protocol. |
Apparently they have. Just do a search and and you'll find a number of hits. |
Hello,
I have already searched but d nothing useful till now, appreciate if someone can help. |
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| smdavies99 |
| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: Re: ISO8583 protocol support with broker |
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| mgm wrote: |
I have already searched but d nothing useful till now, appreciate if someone can help. |
So this bit of information is not useful then?
http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=252708
That really does surprise me.
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| Gaya3 |
| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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you can do it using JCN, only thing its pretty tricky,
if you are handling lot of bit level operations, i suggest you to go for JCN.
for making life easier.....think , plan and buy WTx
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| sridhsri |
| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Just buying WTX will not help. You'll have to buy the industry pack with it (which is at extra cost). |
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| smdavies99 |
| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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So if you want it done right then it costs money. If you have shelled out for Broker then the 8583 support addons for WTX should be withing your budget.
These messages can carry lots of $$$,££££, Yen, Roubles, Yuan etc. Surely it is worth doing it right? Besides, Europay & Visa will want you to go through all sorts of certification test with a home grown soultion before they let you anywhere near connecting to their networks.
Using an OOTB package will make that whole process much smoother and far far quicker. I know this from bitter esperience of trying to do this on the cheal for a Bank in Russia. They ended up paying nearly 50% more that the most padded estimate for doing the same thing with OOTB software.
You pays your money and takes your choice.
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Have you specific business requirements? Such as documents that describe the functional use cases and the performance requirements?
For example, what is the maximum latency your application can withstand before breaking? How many transactions does your application need to process in a minute? What is the mix of physical card swipes to virtual electronic swipes? Do you intend to support electronic debit?
All these queries, and many more, factor into a direction. Your question is too generalized to get the kind of information you are asking about.
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| mgm |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Dears,
Thanks a lot for your guidance.
The issue is not mainly a mapping issue. The main issue no is to establish the connection between the Bank application and the broker.
I start implement this using TCP nodes since I found nothing ready to be used.
What I might need to verify now is am I right on this approach or should I have been used other way. |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:02 am Post subject: |
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We seem to be wasting our time here since you are not responding to our questions, how can we offer good advice?
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| mgm |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| We seem to be wasting our time here since you are not responding to our questions, how can we offer good advice? |
If you just checked the previous posting to your reply your have my comments. anyway I am sorry If I failed to get back on a timely fashion as I am on customer site with very limited internet access. |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Please answer these questions:
What is the maximum latency your application can withstand before breaking? How many transactions does your application need to process in a minute? What is the mix of physical card swipes to virtual electronic swipes? Do you intend to support electronic debit? Do you intend to operate as a Web Service? What is the preferred protocol for interface with the Bank? Does the Bank already use MQ?
This is meant as a proffer to create constructive dialogue: If you are describing a pass-through (ie. no translation needed), then why use an ESB? Using an ESB assumes the need for message routing or message translation. If none of these are needed, just directly connect.
We truly want to offer you good information, please help us help you. Timely response is not as important as facts.
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| mgm |
| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
Please answer these questions:
What is the maximum latency your application can withstand before breaking? How many transactions does your application need to process in a minute? What is the mix of physical card swipes to virtual electronic swipes? Do you intend to support electronic debit? Do you intend to operate as a Web Service? What is the preferred protocol for interface with the Bank? Does the Bank already use MQ?
This is meant as a proffer to create constructive dialogue: If you are describing a pass-through (ie. no translation needed), then why use an ESB? Using an ESB assumes the need for message routing or message translation. If none of these are needed, just directly connect.
We truly want to offer you good information, please help us help you. Timely response is not as important as facts. |
Thanks for your support,
The latency time is 30 sec. Expected number is about 500 trans/min
No plan for webservices
The protcolol use is ISO8583 over TCP/IP. They have mq but not for this app.
Currently it's only POC so we have no much details on capacity and that staff. Also not sure of what physical card swipes would do in our case. |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| mgm wrote: |
| It's only POC so we have no much details on capacity and that staff. Also not sure of what physical card swipes would do in our case. |
Ok, so in a thumbnail, what does this app do? Obviously (or not) you want to process credit card transactions. From your answer about physical swipes, I take it that none of your credit card transactions will originate from a point-of-sale device? Is this true? If so, then, one hundred percent of all transactions will come from online ? In other words, where do your financial transactions originate? What is the average currency amount of each transaction? Are they small itty bitty type, like for chewing gum, or large transactions like for purchase of an automobile?
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| mgm |
| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Actually we expect small amounts per each transactions
It would be integration with ATM app, usus base 24 bic iso standered.
So the question is to integrate with this App to get/send ISO messages to. |
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