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Chang
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: I got error Backout queue is full, unable to put the message Reply with quote

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Unable to put the message in queue
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WMBDEV1
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Care to add some details?

eg version, exact details of what happening?

is the backout queue full? why is the mesage being backed out?
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mqjeff
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Every time I get this error, I look up what it means in the documentation and follow the instructions.

Well, that's not quite right.

I pause and think about what it says first.
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kevinf2349
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Working as designed.

Fix whatever is causing the backout, go smack some programmers around the head with a trout.
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WMBDEV1
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mqjeff wrote:

I pause and think about what it says first.


its just so hard with these cryptic messages though.....

Much easier to post on here an be spoonfed exactly what to do
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Vitor
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: I got error Backout queue is full, unable to put the mes Reply with quote

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Chang wrote:
Unable to put the message in queue


Well, no, if it's full you probably can't but thank you for sharing.

I'd suggest

a) working out why so many messages are being backed out (or why you have a very small MAXDEPTH on your backout queue)
b) fixing it
c) working out what you're going to do with all these backed out messages (which in development could of course be "delete them")
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Vitor
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WMBDEV1 wrote:
Much easier to post on here an be spoonfed exactly what to do


In that event the best solution is to have an app constantly reading the backout queue, thereby clearing the messages out and ensuring there's space.

A more sophisticated solution would be to have this app on TRIGGER(EVERY) but either would work and be straightforward to implement.
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WMBDEV1
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vitor,

I still think you're over-egging the solution.

If you were to mark all messages as none persistant, you would just need to recycle the QM on a regular (say hourly basis).

Job done.
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Vitor
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WMBDEV1 wrote:
If you were to mark all messages as none persistant, you would just need to recycle the QM on a regular (say hourly basis).


I was looking for a solution that would work in all environments, including production where it's typically frowned upon to bounce things.

Though I agree that your suggestion is feasible.
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sumit
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like this attitude...
We just got 1 statement from poster (with not much info) and you guys have him some probable solutions.
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Vitor
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sumit wrote:
We just got 1 statement from poster (with not much info) and you guys have him some probable solutions.


It's the same way I do design - I get a similar amount of information as business requirements.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vitor wrote:
sumit wrote:
We just got 1 statement from poster (with not much info) and you guys have him some probable solutions.


It's the same way I do design - I get a similar amount of information as business requirements.


You lucky, lucky... <insert Monty Python line here> ...I can only dream of getting that many requirements from the business
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