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| DJN |
 Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:41 pm Post subject: Jrules and WMB |
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| Simbu |
| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Jrules and WMB |
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| Can Jrules be accessed directly form WMB? |
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J2SE Rule Execution Server (J2SE RES)
With this approach, the RES is embedded in the broker JVM and accessed
directly by, for example, a JavaCompute node, using the RES API as
suggested and described in this book. |
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| vishnurajnr |
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iLog JRule can be accessed from WMB via below options:
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1) JRules Java SE Rule Execution Server - Deploy a JRules Rule Execution Server in a Message Broker JVM and access the rules via the Rule Session API
2) JRules Java SE engine - Deploy a core JRules rule engine in a Message Broker JVM and access the rule engine directly with the JRules API
3) JMS - Use Message Broker support for JMS to make an external call out to a Rule Execution Serve
4) WebService - Use Message Broker support for Web services to make an external call out to a Rule Execution Server
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| mqjeff |
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| vishnurajnr wrote: |
iLog JRule can be accessed from WMB via below options:
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1) JRules Java SE Rule Execution Server - Deploy a JRules Rule Execution Server in a Message Broker JVM and access the rules via the Rule Session API
2) JRules Java SE engine - Deploy a core JRules rule engine in a Message Broker JVM and access the rule engine directly with the JRules API
3) JMS - Use Message Broker support for JMS to make an external call out to a Rule Execution Serve
4) WebService - Use Message Broker support for Web services to make an external call out to a Rule Execution Server
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Oh, but you forgot the much more fun option, which is to deploy JRules to WAS, create your own horrendously overcomplicatred EJB interface to it, and then deploy a remote EJB client to a JCN in WMB that uses IIOP to talk to your EJB running on WAS that talks to JRules.
Or you could just move to v9, and use the inbuilt WODM instead... |
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| smdavies99 |
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Or you could just move to v9, and use the inbuilt WODM instead... |
Which does not come cheap AFAIK 
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| Vitor |
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| Which does not come cheap AFAIK |
How so? IIBv9 is licensed like WMBv7/8
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| vishnurajnr |
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| Oh, but you forgot the much more fun option, which is to deploy JRules to WAS, create your own horrendously overcomplicatred EJB interface to it, and then deploy a remote EJB client to a JCN in WMB that uses IIOP to talk to your EJB running on WAS that talks to JRules. |
How Simple the things are...  
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| mqjeff |
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Or you could just move to v9, and use the inbuilt WODM instead... |
Which does not come cheap AFAIK |
Developer Edition is free.
Not sure what your measure of "cheap" is. |
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Or you could just move to v9, and use the inbuilt WODM instead... |
Which does not come cheap AFAIK |
Developer Edition is free.
Not sure what your measure of "cheap" is. |
Developer Edition is one thing but putting it into production is another ball game entirely.
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| Vitor |
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| Developer Edition is one thing but putting it into production is another ball game entirely. |
Again I ask why. As someone who is tasked with getting from WMBv7 to IIBv9 in production by the end of Q1 2014 what do you know that's not on my operational plan?
Because it doesn't have that much extra software money in it. And you're starting to make me nervous (which isn't an easy thing to do).
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I looked at the prices of the additional software that was needed to get the rules engine working. It seemed to be close to the cost of broker and for my clients that is a total non starter despite spending close to $1B on the new site.
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| mqjeff |
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| I looked at the prices of the additional software that was needed to get the rules engine working. It seemed to be close to the cost of broker and for my clients that is a total non starter despite spending close to $1B on the new site. |
You don't need any additional software to use WODM rules from within IIB v9.
At all. NONE.
You may want to purchase and configure and build out an entirely separate WODM infrastructure, in order to meet expected performance and management requirements.
But you don't require them, and you can use the DecisionService node in IIB v9 without incurring any additional license charges or requiring any additional software installs.
Just like you don't incur any additional license charges or require any additional software installs to use XtremeScale caching from within IIB. |
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| Vitor |
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| I looked at the prices of the additional software that was needed to get the rules engine working. It seemed to be close to the cost of broker and for my clients that is a total non starter despite spending close to $1B on the new site. |
That sounds like the cost of ODM if purchased as an additional product with all the glories that rains down upon you. That's separate to the inbuilt rules engine, and nothing to do with IIBv9 itself unless I have seriously missed the point.
Have I seriously missed the point? 
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Hmmm. That is good to know. I asked this question when the product was launched and the answer I received was that you need to purchase additional software to make it all work. (Sort of like how the SAP Adapters were licensed as a separate item and cost)
If that is not the case then it might be better publicised (Hint-hint)
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| Vitor |
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I know your game - you're just trying to make my already high blood pressure even higher until my head pops off by making me think I've got the PVU costs wrong
I mean, it's undignified enough they've got me doing project planning and budgeting; me! That's management work! I can feel my hair growing into spikes...
....albeit short, sparse spikes....
...but there will come a reckoning. This indignity will not go unanswered. My end of year 360 degree management review will come in 5 volumes bound in leather. Teach him to stick me with this......
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