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| Rahul999 |
 Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:09 am Post subject: Difference between IBM MQ and TIBCO EMS |
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hi,
I know majority of us are loyal to IBM products, but our client is thinking of replace MQ with TIBCO EMS. I was wondering what is the difference between MQ and TIBCO EMS, as per my understanding EMS also provides secure persistent delivery of messages in asynchrous mode.
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| fatherjack |
| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Difference between IBM MQ and TIBCO EMS |
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| Rahul999 wrote: |
| EMS also provides secure persistent delivery of messages in asynchrous mode. |
And WMQ doesn't??
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| Rahul999 |
| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Hi Jack, I didn't mean that, but being ignorant of TIBCO EMS, I was wondering what are the difference beweent MQ and TIBCO EMS if compare them on similar features (e.g. persistent, secure, workload, failover etc..)
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| bruce2359 |
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Go directly to google. Type this in the text box: tibco vs mq
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| fatherjack |
| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| bruce2359 wrote: |
| Go directly to google. Type this in the text box: tibco vs mq |
Where you'll likely get lots of out of date material and biased opinions.
If your client was a greenfield site I'd suggest you do a full product evluation/comparison but they're not. They already have MQ. So why are they thinking about replacing it? And why with Tibco EMS rather than any of the other messaging products out there?
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| fatherjack wrote: |
| bruce2359 wrote: |
| Go directly to google. Type this in the text box: tibco vs mq |
Where you'll likely get lots of out of date material and biased opinions.
If your client was a greenfield site I'd suggest you do a full product evluation/comparison but they're not. They already have MQ. So why are they thinking about replacing it? And why with Tibco EMS rather than any of the other messaging products out there? |
Good point, especially since Apache ActiveMQ beats Tibco hands down and is actively being developed.
There is no better supported product than WebSphere MQ.
Tibco's customer base is merely 4,000 customers. Their annual revenue FOR ALL PRODUCTS is only US$1 billion. By comparison, IBM WMQ is part of IBM's Middleware product group, which posted annualized revenue of $14 billion last 12 months FOR JUST the middleware products.
Whomever is even suggesting this change is nuts and is not basing the recommendation on technical merit.
The only press release that Tibco has made in the last three years about EMS is last month when all it said was that EMS supports JMS 2.0. At least from the outside of the company, it doesn't appear that aggressive product development is occurring on EMS. It seems that Tibco is spending its dollars on acquisitions rather than product development. Which is why Apache ActiveMQ, an open source product, has overcome Tibco EMS in features and functions in the last few years. If the rationale by your management is to save money on licensing costs, they should be looking at ActiveMQ rather than EMS. ActiveMQ is fully supported and companies can buy support for ActiveMQ just like Tibco or WMQ.
In addition to this, the world has changed since Tibco EMS was written in the early 2000s. Back then, when EMS first came about, the goal was to route JMS messages from point A to point B. That was the extent of the value proposition to the business. This is now seven years later and the business value proposition has moved past just sending messages or subscribing to topics. What businesses are paying for, and why IBM's middleware product group has dwarfed any other product or company's revenue stream, is the ability to program transformations graphically.
Its not about JMS compatibility anymore; its about transforming the COBOL copybook to XML; dragging and dropping some nodes on a canvas, wiring them together, and with a few hours of developer time, having a working transformation. The sad little Tibco press release about being JMS 2.0 compatible shows just how out-of-touch the management team is over there at Tibco. If thats all they have to offer the SOA community, it won't be long till their riches fly away.
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| smdavies99 |
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One big Plus for MQ is this forum.
Where else can you get such vibrant and enlightend discussion about the products.
Seriously, if my employer was going to replace WMQ with Tibco EMS then I'd really want to know what Functions/Facilities the EMS has over WMQ. I'm sure that MQ Prodict management would like to know what they are.
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| fatherjack |
| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
In addition to this, the world has changed since Tibco EMS was written in the early 2000s. Back then, when EMS first came about, the goal was to route JMS messages from point A to point B. That was the extent of the value proposition to the business. This is now seven years later and the business value proposition has moved past just sending messages or subscribing to topics. What businesses are paying for, and why IBM's middleware product group has dwarfed any other product or company's revenue stream, is the ability to program transformations graphically.
Its not about JMS compatibility anymore; its about transforming the COBOL copybook to XML; dragging and dropping some nodes on a canvas, wiring them together, and with a few hours of developer time, having a working transformation. The sad little Tibco press release about being JMS 2.0 compatible shows just how out-of-touch the management team is over there at Tibco. If thats all they have to offer the SOA community, it won't be long till their riches fly away. |
I agree with lots of what you say but the original post was about EMS v. MQ not Tibco's middleware product suite v. IBM's middleware product suite. Tibco's middleware can do the same sort of stuff that IBM's middleware can - messaging, transformation, managed file transfer, business process management etc.
So, back to my question - why is the client thinking of changing? One valid reason might be that they already have a bunch of other Tibco middleware products.
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| lancelotlinc |
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| fatherjack wrote: |
| lancelotlinc wrote: |
In addition to this, the world has changed since Tibco EMS was written in the early 2000s. Back then, when EMS first came about, the goal was to route JMS messages from point A to point B. That was the extent of the value proposition to the business. This is now seven years later and the business value proposition has moved past just sending messages or subscribing to topics. What businesses are paying for, and why IBM's middleware product group has dwarfed any other product or company's revenue stream, is the ability to program transformations graphically.
Its not about JMS compatibility anymore; its about transforming the COBOL copybook to XML; dragging and dropping some nodes on a canvas, wiring them together, and with a few hours of developer time, having a working transformation. The sad little Tibco press release about being JMS 2.0 compatible shows just how out-of-touch the management team is over there at Tibco. If thats all they have to offer the SOA community, it won't be long till their riches fly away. |
I agree with lots of what you say but the original post was about EMS v. MQ not Tibco's middleware product suite v. IBM's middleware product suite. Tibco's middleware can do the same sort of stuff that IBM's middleware can - messaging, transformation, managed file transfer, business process management etc.
So, back to my question - why is the client thinking of changing? One valid reason might be that they already have a bunch of other Tibco middleware products. |
The important aspect made was: whats the point of migrating to a dead product that has not been actively developed / marketed in the last three years? It seems the corporate management is spending money on acquisitions not research and development? Why adopt a product that has no future expansion plans or roadmap?
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| fatherjack |
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| Why adopt a product that has no future expansion plans or roadmap? |
Dunno. That's why it would be good to hear from the OP about why his client is thinking about it.
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| dgolding |
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We have both. At the risk of getting sued, the rule is - if the message is important use MQ. Otherwise use EMS.
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