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| zz348 |
 Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: Roadmap for MB X12 pack based on DFDL? |
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Hi,
My company currently uses a homegrown proprietary solution for converting to and from X12.
I have heard that MB v8 switched to standards based Data Format Description Language as a way to avoid using proprietary and product specific mapping languages across their product line.
We are aware that WTX provides a solution, but I think WTX uses proprietary mapping approach as opposed to DFDL and it might be better to avoid the licensing and learning curve of WTX and associated tooling if a DFDL based industry pack for MB is in the works.
Anyone know of a roadmap for DFDL X12 industry pack for MB?
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone who knew about such would not be able to discuss it publicly until it was officially announced by IBM. |
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| Esa |
| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Roadmap for MB X12 pack based on DFDL? |
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| zz348 wrote: |
We are aware that WTX provides a solution, but I think WTX uses proprietary mapping approach as opposed to DFDL and it might be better to avoid the licensing and learning curve of WTX and associated tooling if a DFDL based industry pack for MB is in the works.
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DFDL is not a mapping approach. Message Broker uses a proprietary and product specific mapping approach, too. |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Roadmap for MB X12 pack based on DFDL? |
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| zz348 wrote: |
| We are aware that WTX provides a solution, but I think WTX uses proprietary mapping approach as opposed to DFDL and it might be better to avoid the licensing and learning curve of WTX and associated tooling if a DFDL based industry pack for MB is in the works. |
Absolutely stellar thinking. Keep up the good work.
Here's an informal document that you can read that describes some of the rationale for the direction you perceived (ie. reasons why DFDL makes better sense than WTX).
http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/dfdl-wg/2010-January/001244.html
Here is related discussion.
http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=324970&sid=a8f9968047b387795612df6501f5fc4b
I now do not think WTX will go away as it does provide some value for some customers and those customers are willing to pay for that value. WTX may end up in the Sterling group of products.
I'm not currently an employee of IBM and I do not have access to inside information. I don't know much of anything besides looking at the potential of the market compared to the potential of the product roadmaps.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Roadmap for MB X12 pack based on DFDL? |
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| Esa wrote: |
| zz348 wrote: |
We are aware that WTX provides a solution, but I think WTX uses proprietary mapping approach as opposed to DFDL and it might be better to avoid the licensing and learning curve of WTX and associated tooling if a DFDL based industry pack for MB is in the works.
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DFDL is not a mapping approach. Message Broker uses a proprietary and product specific mapping approach, too. |
To be clear, what WTX provides for x12 is two things: 1) a set of predefined WTX data models that allow WTX to parse and serialize X12 messages 2) a set of predefined transformations from those x12 models to a set of predefined XML documents.
Broker currently already ships with a Sample that includes a model of the general purpose X12 format and a specific x12 message. The sample also includes message flows that transform to and from XML documents that exactly match the structure of the x12 model (it uses MRM and two physical formats).
That sample can be extended to cover other x12 messages. |
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| zz348 |
| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: |
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True about DFDL being a standards based modeling language and not mapping language. Not sure if I'll be able to get any MB product folks to spill the beans on any roadmap for a DFDL based MB X12 pack future plans to save customers money on the second product, IDE, and learning curve. I'll probably open an RFE just for fun. Thanks for the correction.
Data Format Description Language (DFDL) is a modeling language from the Open Grid Forum that is used to define the structure of general text and binary formatted data in a way that is independent of the data format. It is based on XML Schema 1.0. |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| zz348 wrote: |
| Not sure if I'll be able to get any MB product folks to spill the beans on any roadmap for a DFDL based MB X12 pack future plans |
Not publicly. |
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