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| lancelotlinc |
 Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: WebSphere Message Broker for mid-market solutions draft |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Everyone on the team hates hypervisors and is determined to seem them end forever.
NO, clearly I'm joking!
Hypervisor editions are just editions that have been tested against a given hypervisor. They're not in any functional way *different*.
Pure Application Systems is also not mentioned on that page. Perhaps there's a chronological reason for that?
All of that said, hey... it's a draft! Submit a suggestion to get it updated before final release.
If you still think it's meaningful. |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Also, I think you'll find some of the discussion on logging from .NET a bit interesting. |
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Re: Hypervisor implementations
Outside the scope of the Mid Market document, would be a good read to have a Redbook detail a reference architecture of a highlighted Hypervisor configuration in CloudBurst.
I believe you when you say that there is no difference between Hypervisor and WMB Enterprise edition. But its curiouser to me that if there are no functional differences between Hypervisor edition and WMB Enterprise edition, why has IBM assigned a different part number?
On the features and benefits page for the Hypervisor edition, IBM says WebSphere Message Broker Hypervisor Edition supports four key areas: Simplicity and productivity; Universal connectivity for SOA; Dynamic operational management; Platforms, environments, and performance. Does Hypervisor edition have some pre-tweaked config params that promote these features?
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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The features and benefits on the main page are probably more what you're looking for
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Combines WebSphere Message Broker, WebSphere MQ and the operating system compatible with the supported hypervisor, optimized to run in server virtualization environments
Reduces hardware and software costs by decreasing installation and configuration time and enabling better utilization of hardware
Allows businesses to ensure their systems are built with a known, stable and tested configuration
Supports WebSphere Message Broker v7.0.0.1 through v8
WebSphere Message Broker Hypervisor Edition v8 supports Red Hat Enterprise Linux and IBM AIX. For more information check the System Requirements. |
So - "optimized to run in virtualization environments"... "decreases install and configuration time and better utilizes hardware"... "ensure their systems are built with a known, stable, and tested configuration".
At least some of the IBM hypervisor editions have additional advantages for specific IBM hypervisor technology - more preinstalled and preconfigured stuff and stuff to take advantage of specific features of the IBM hypervisor software.
But that's, again, mostly on top of the existing product and not changes to the existing product.
At least to the best of my current knowledge, which is not to be treated as authoritative. |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:17 am Post subject: |
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The main point is that none of the solutions discussed in the redbook should even notice in any way that they are running under hypervisor edition or not.
Ideally, that's what you want from hypervisor - that the only people that know it's in use are the hypervisor admins. |
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| lancelotlinc |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
The main point is that none of the solutions discussed in the redbook should even notice in any way that they are running under hypervisor edition or not.
Ideally, that's what you want from hypervisor - that the only people that know it's in use are the hypervisor admins. |
Oh you mean the people you need to go and visit when all of a sudden all communications from and to the box seem to fail for no reason? 
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| Vitor |
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| Oh you mean the people you need to go and visit when all of a sudden all communications from and to the box seem to fail for no reason? |
No, those are the network people. Communication problems are always the network people. Just like every message issue is the fault of the WMQ admins. It'll do them good to be blamed for something that's not their problem for once.... 
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| nathanw |
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| fjb_saper wrote: |
| Oh you mean the people you need to go and visit when all of a sudden all communications from and to the box seem to fail for no reason? |
No, those are the network people. Communication problems are always the network people. Just like every message issue is the fault of the WMQ admins. It'll do them good to be blamed for something that's not their problem for once.... |
that will never happen no matter what the cause the initial blame will always and I mean ALWAYS fall on MQ or Broker as people do not understand it no matter how many times you explain that the messages are not arriving because they have configured their application wrong
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Found a good overview of Hypervisor:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/v1r1m0/topic/com.ibm.iea.iwd/iwd/3.0/Overview/WD30_ProductOverview.pdf
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Setting up a new environment typically involves procuring and configuring hardware, installing the operating system, installing and configuring middleware, and then loading your applications on top. In many cases, this process can take between 2 and 4 months to complete. Given this complexity and long lead time, there is a strong incentive to keep old environments around just in case, rather than releasing resources back into the pool for use in new environments. This type of usage model quickly consumes hardware resources, even though many application-serving environments are not actively being used. In many distributed computing environments, up to 85% of computing capacity sits idle because of the significant cost associated with building out new environments.
Another difficult aspect of managing your complex IT infrastructure is trying to keep environments in sync. Around 30% of bugs are introduced by inconsistent configurations – the type of error that is easily caused when manually re-configuring the same type of application-serving environment to meet different needs, such as moving from a development or test environment across to QA or production. These types of errors, caused by inconsistent configuration across application environments, are typically very difficult to detect and solve. |
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