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| zpat |
 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: WMQ 7.0.1.3 |
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I notice that fixpack WMQ 7.0.1.3 is now out.
I've had at least one FDC that is fixed in this release (and 2 that are not).
Interested to hear any other views on whether it's better to install 7.0.1.3 or stick with 7.0.1.2 (now that I have already started the rollout)?
I can never remember - is it the odd or even fixpacks that are fixes and not new functions?
The only new function I can see in 7.0.1.3 is some explorer features. |
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:26 am Post subject: Re: WMQ 7.0.1.3 |
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| zpat wrote: |
| I can never remember - is it the odd or even fixpacks that are fixes and not new functions? |
new function is supposed to come with an increase in at least n.n.X.n, or n.X.n.n, and not just be n.n.n.X where X=X+1.
That's why we went from 7.0.0.x to 7.0.1.x. |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: WMQ 7.0.1.3 |
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| zpat wrote: |
I notice that fixpack WMQ 7.0.1.3 is now out.
I've had at least one FDC that is fixed in this release (and 2 that are not).
Interested to hear any other views on whether it's better to install 7.0.1.3 or stick with 7.0.1.2 (now that I have already started the rollout)?
I can never remember - is it the odd or even fixpacks that are fixes and not new functions?
The only new function I can see in 7.0.1.3 is some explorer features. |
If you are doing JMS or sharing connections you really want 7.0.1.4 
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| zpat |
| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: WMQ 7.0.1.3 |
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| fjb_saper wrote: |
| If you are doing JMS or sharing connections you really want 7.0.1.4 |
Hmm, can you explain why and whether this impacts QM upgrades or client upgrades? |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: Re: WMQ 7.0.1.3 |
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| zpat wrote: |
| fjb_saper wrote: |
| If you are doing JMS or sharing connections you really want 7.0.1.4 |
Hmm, can you explain why and whether this impacts QM upgrades or client upgrades? |
Why? Just by looking at the list of fixes for those areas targeted for delivery in 7.0.1.4... Impacting possibly both Server and client upgrades... no telling until you tested it.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| This is not good news. WMQ is supposed to be a mature product. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Upgrades/maintenance introduces the possibility of new bugs. There is risk associated with change.
Not upgrading/maintaining guarantees that known bugs are not corrected. There is risk associated with not changing.
"Damned if you do; damned if you don't." (Simpson, Bart)
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| WMQ is supposed to be a mature product. |
This means it has fewer bugs and more features than an immature product.
That fixes are being applied to both client and server code has nothing to do with maturity.
That applying fixes can cause problems is a fact of any software.
That IBM's reputation is behind these fixes gives some comfort (though we all remember v5.3 CSD 08 ).
Only testing can prove the effect of any fixes in your specific code & site.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| MQ is a mature product with new features. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: |
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...and improved performance and reliability.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I am not talking about fixes causing bugs, I am talking about how many problems are being uncovered in WMQ v7.
IBM described this as "production ready" when it was GA.
Now. I am the worlds biggest MQ fan - but.....
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| I am not talking about fixes causing bugs, I am talking about how many problems are being uncovered in WMQ v7. |
Are there more problems with v7.0.0.0 than with v6.0.0.0? Seriously, I'd not heard that. And more than with v5.0.0.0 (if there had been such a thing)?.
Also does anyone have a handle on scale of problems against (say) Oracle 9 to Oracle 10? Or any other major piece of software changing major version?
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| exerk |
| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| I am not talking about fixes causing bugs, I am talking about how many problems are being uncovered in WMQ v7... |
Despite their size, and testing potential, even IBM cannot test against every possible permutation of configuration and application use; there is always going to be an element of 'fix-on-failure', i.e. when users report issues.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: |
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And again, my point about new features is that, for example, the pub/sub engine is entirely new in MQ v7.
So if there are more Fixes against it, that should be relatively expected compared to things like the Transaction handling processing. |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:31 am Post subject: |
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If you read the "problems fixed " list for the fixpacks, a lot of seem to be against existing function, not new function, because the IBM JMS code has been re-written.
Boeing have produced a largely new aeroplane every few years, but I expect it to be able to fly extremely reliably before customers get into it. |
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