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| shalom |
 Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:20 am Post subject: Career advice required: learn seeBeyond or crossworlds? |
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Hello all,
I am a contractor who is expert in WMQ and WMQI, I am looking to learn a new EAI product - but cannot decide between crossworlds and seeBeyond.
I have started looking at crossworlds and it seems like an excellent product with a good architecture. I have a preference for crossworlds as it is an IBM product and would fit well with my WMQ and WMQI skills.
But, at the moment there seems to be an awful lot of seeBeyond work around, but not much crossworlds.
Does anybody have any advice on which one I should go for? I am looking for the product that is going to be the post popular and generate the most contract opportunities. |
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I would say crossworlds, only because I had some bad experiences with SeeBeyond. I was working for a certain fortune 500 at the time, and in management's infinite wisdom they decided to dump MQSeries and use SeeBeyond. We had nothing but problems trying to implement it - SeeBeyond made many dubious claims about the performance of their product, which I was never able to reproduce - and let's not even get in to the fact that their primary programming language is "Monk" (something I'd never even heard of before) while their Java API lacked most of the necessary functionality of the Monk API.
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| shalom |
| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I've been in a similar situation where mercator was chosen over MQSI, the product was full of bugs and had very poor support. However, there always seems to be plenty of mercator work around - I've just spent 10 weeks on the benches waiting for an MQSI contract.
Judging from what you say, crossworlds is superior technically and as it's an IBM product - it will nicely complement my WMQ and WMQI skills. |
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2002 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree. I hope I don't sound blatantly pro-IBM - but my past experience is all I have to go on. Of course, I welcome SeeBeyond to prove me wrong... 
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Brandon, you are pro-IBM. 
I have been using Mercator for several years with reasonable success. Right now, my current assignment is to upgrade a variety of Mercator maps from v1.4.2 & v5.0 to version 6.0.
About 6 months ago, while doing a Mercator v5.0 project, we had a problem with the MQ adapter with the engine running on OS/390. We phoned it in (and send sample maps in) and they sent us a patch a few weeks later.
Shalom, what platform did you have your Mercator problems on?
later
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| shalom |
| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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The platform was on HPUX back in 2000/2001, I'm no expert but some issues worried me about the product:
No 2-phase commit
The maps designed by the mercator consultants made extensive use of sub-maps (if that's the right term), it turned out that only one instance of a sub-map could be called at one time. As you can imagine our message throughput rates were terrible.
The (HPUX) event server continually crashed and froze up, the NT event server was better but not perfect. |
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| jdouch |
| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 3:28 am Post subject: |
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I have been working with IBM products WMQ and WMQI for the past 3 years, but have joined a consultancy where the majority of work is with Seebeyond - think we have at least 3 big seebeyond integration projects currently in progress. I am just finishing a WMQI project and now have a seebeyond project to move onto.
I went on the seebeyond configuration and development course last week and the product seems a quite complex and not that intuitive, compared to WMQI for example. They have moved more toward Java from their 'MONK' language, and seem to be putting all their efforts into the Java side of things. You can use WMQ as the transport layer for seebeyond, but their architecture pretty much ties you into using all their own components.
I have heard good things about crossworlds, but as you say there doesn't seem to be that much happening work wise with that product.
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| shalom |
| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Well, I've finally decided on crossworlds, even though there are not many contracts around at the moment, I feel it has the greatest potential for me because:
* IBM are pushing their EAI offerings big time
* There's all sorts of IBM initiatives and packages such as Websphere Business integration, Websphere connectors and Websphere Business connection all centred around crossworlds
* It's a technically superior product and will shine out in the marketplace
Well, all I have to do now is spend several hundred hours reading manuals and working with the product to get certified! |
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