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| anderc1 |
 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: Need Input on MQ Conference |
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| Need info on T&M conference, that is, Is it worth going anymore. Read postings here on Impact 2007 and it pretty much sounds like people didn't care for it. I try to go every other year with the hopes there will be something new in the sessions. Training/Conference money is hard to come by so can't waste it. Anything new coming up in MQ or Message Broker to make Impact 2008 worthwhile? |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Need Input on MQ Conference |
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| markt |
| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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But don't let that put you off. |
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| Mehrdad |
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mqseries.net intends to have a special presence there too 
details to come 
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| anderc1 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| The mindset where I work is that conferences are vacations, so Vegas actually makes it a harder sell to management. So for Impact 2008, I need to be able to justify it. It's easier if there is a new release of something. Anyone get wind of anything, even rumors, post them. MQSeries.net at the conference would be neat! How about at T-shirt! |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Most of the people who are in the position to know what will or will not be released between now and then have already agreed not to talk about it.
That said, I'm sure that there will be something of interest...
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| jefflowrey |
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| tleichen |
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I like Vegas as much as the next guy, but as anderc1 stated, it's a real tough sell to management. Ever since the first one that was held in Vegas (I forget what year it was...), several of the IBM crowd have complained every time that the conference was not held in Vegas. As I said, I'm not down on Vegas at all, but I feel the location is more about what the IBM crowd wants, and that's a place to have a real good time! 
I think when IBM changed the conference name last year to IMPACT, it should have been a signal that this was not going to be the conference that we had previously expected. Last year's conference should have been titled "SOA Tech Conference". I guess with a name like IMPACT, it gives them the ability to present whatever they feel is (or should be) hot at the time. I'm expecting more of the same this time, so if you're really looking for valuable MQSeries matters, I can't be sure; but, I wouldn't bank on it. 
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I suppose it depends on which IBMers you ask, as to what "the IBM crowd" wants.
I can't imagine that there's one mind on the subject.
As to the value of the conference, the location should be significantly less relevant than the sessions and the presenters.
That said, I've never been able to get any employer to approve training from http://www.geekcruises.com/
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| tleichen |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
...As to the value of the conference, the location should be significantly less relevant than the sessions and the presenters.
That said, I've never been able to get any employer to approve training from http://www.geekcruises.com/ |
You hit the nail on the head, Poobah! It does beg a question, however. Most people I talk to can't get their companies to pay for any relevant training or conferences these days, at least here in the U.S. I would like to hear from anyone who's company is doing it and who attended Impact 2007. After all, someone is going to these conferences! If there are any takers, please answer these questions:
1) Did you attend Impact 2007 and if so, what did you bring back that you thought was relevant to your job?
2) What other vendor training has your company sent you to in 2007 (do not count in-house training, unless an outside vendor was brought in to do the training at your site).
3) What is the name of your company and where is it located?
(Please PM me if you think any of this is too private for broadcast.)
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| Michael Dag |
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| jefflowrey |
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| Michael Dag wrote: |
I'll try Photoshop Fling IV |
You've got an in with your boss, though... 
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| RogerLacroix |
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Hi,
Yup, I was at the Transaction Conference in Las Vegas in 2000. It was huge!! There were 2200 attendees - for an MQ and CICS!!!
It was held at the Hilton in Las Vegas (just off the strip). It was truly an assume site to see all these geeks. There was a reasonable large selection of courses across all kinds of MQ topics. The funniest or strangest site was going to the lunches. They feed all 2200 people in one gigantic room. It was a wild combination of traffic cop and cattle ranger to how they handled the flow of people.
I went to as many courses as I physical could. On my score, IBM got an 'A' for that conference.
Now to the comments from the 'IBM crowd': I have heard them too but with a little more info. As told to me, the reason IBM likes the Las Vegas Hilton is because it can handle the room bookings, required number of conference rooms and they have some monster rooms.
They told me there are very few places in the world where they can hold a conference for 2500-5000 people, a hotel with that many rooms and an large enough attached conference center.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Regards,
Roger Lacroix
Capitalware Inc.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| RogerLacroix wrote: |
| Yup, I was at the Transaction Conference in Las Vegas in 2000. |
I think I was there.
EDIT: In retrospect... I couldn't have been at T&M any earlier than 2002.
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| tleichen |
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| RogerLacroix wrote: |
Hi,
Yup, I was at the Transaction Conference in Las Vegas in 2000. It was huge!! There were 2200 attendees - for an MQ and CICS!!! |
Ah yes, and I agree there probably has not been another conference like that since!
| RogerLacroix wrote: |
…Now to the comments from the 'IBM crowd': I have heard them too but with a little more info. As told to me, the reason IBM likes the Las Vegas Hilton is because it can handle the room bookings, required number of conference rooms and they have some monster rooms.
They told me there are very few places in the world where they can hold a conference for 2500-5000 people, a hotel with that many rooms and an large enough attached conference center. ... |
Yes, and I realize that IBM wants to have monster-sized conferences to rake in the bucks, but I am wondering if that hope is even practical anymore, given today’s work paradigm at most companies. At least in the U.S., it’s a much lower percentage that will even pop for that kind of thing nowadays. Some that have attended in the most recent years have revealed that they had to finance all or part of it themselves, as companies are less and less willing to invest in training. Some have even had to use their vacation time to attend conferences (real troopers, huh?).
What I have been irked by, particularly in the more recent years, is how the five-day conference practically shuts down after the third day. I understand the marketing ploy of offering just a three-day attendance to provide a little more enticement to those companies that are on the fence at allowing time off to attend such events. But, on the fourth day when you look around and the expo is shut down and the number of educational sessions cut down, it makes you wonder why you stayed for the full gambit!
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