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| prabha |
 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: IBM Websphere Process Server |
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Hi,
Can any one tell me the difference between Message Broker and Process Server. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Everything is different between them.
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| prabha |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Can MB be used instead of Process server.What are the functional differences Between them |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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They are entirely different products, that work entirely differently.
Every function that they share is different.
They are both Turing complete, and so they can be used to do exactly the same things. They both do those things entirely differently.
There's an enormous amount of specific information about these two products on IBM's website.
Happy Reading.
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| AkankshA |
| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: |
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my basic laymans mind understand it as
WPS is mainly for J2EE and JSP and MB is all about MQ
MB operations be it http or jms somewhere internally do use MQ but WPS is another layer on WAS 
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| narsingi |
| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: |
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I know this has raised multiple times... when to use what ??? (Process server Vs MB) as this was started from WICS Vs WMB.. and continuing.
I understadn, wps is meant or state and biz process, htm.
and wmb meant to transformation/routing, stateless...
our client has WICS environment, which is doing pub/sub, stateless, flat file and SAI (server access interface) with WAS and handles around 700k transactions/day.... now WPS being next generation of WICS, doing all these (pub/sub, stateless, flatfile) ... is it recommeneded ??
or all the WICS artifacts should be re-designed in the combination of wps/wmb.
has anyone come cross these kinda environments? what is the path for the customer who has major WICS implementation ???
Its not tht, I want to post some duplications, making sure I'm conveying it correctly... |
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| EAI_GURU |
| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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WPS is all about process integration WMB is abt application integration .. you dont have the concept of long running processes in MB.
WPS has ... websphere adapters, esb layer, messaging layer (SI Bus)
in process integration we work with BPEL standards |
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| VivekMeshram |
| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I do have something to say – correct me if I am wrong - MB build message trees and processes the data via nodes using ESQL and being use for Transformation/routing/Enrichments. MB has doesn't retain state information about messages that have be processed.
WPS/ICS (WPS is product built on MQ Workflow and ICS) builds Business Objects and processes them an dcan hold state information, holds cross reference information between end points if programmed to do that. MB can do that but it's a lot more work...
There is a whole lot pf differences in the way data is processed, but in the end the do the same thing but differently depending on what your looking for choose either WPS or MB. |
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| pakya |
| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Hi Vivek,
You are correct for message broker it is used for Transformation,Routing,Enrichment
WPS is based on SOA architecture. WAS( foundation ) & Process server is on top of it.
you can make an analogy of your house. WAS is foundation of the house while Process Server is combination of lot of work which you do in your house as Service |
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| VivekMeshram |
| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yap, do understand that WPS is based on SOA architecture. WebSphere Process Server (Processes, business rules, human task and so on) is represented as SCA (Service Component Architecture) service components. This allows flexibility. For Example: to replace a human task for an approval (Manual Approval) with a business rule for automatic approval simply by replacing the service components in assembly diagram. |
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