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| RogerLacroix |
 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: What do mainframe people use? |
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All,
What do mainframe people use?
Ok, its a little open-ended question but I've had some interesting emails in the last couple of months.
So, when you are editing code (i.e. COBOL, C, REXX, etc.) do you edit it on the mainframe or your PC then ftp it to the mainframe?
Where do you edit things like JCL or sysin members? Mainframe or PC?
For those people develop or support mainframe applications, how much of the work is done on the mainframe? i.e. 50%, 60%, 70% ... or 100%
Are there people who exclusively use the mainframe to do all of their work?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: |
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I always use the ISPF editor, it has colour highlighting, macros etc.
But I frequently FTP source files to a PC from UNIX because I think VI is brain-damaged (as are those who like it  ). |
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| HenriqueS |
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Here where I work the usual is to create the first draft on a regular PC, then upload it using FTP to z/OS.
After that, subsequent modifications are made directly on the mainframe using oedit.
JCL is usually edited directly on the mainframe. Most of time copying an already existing JCL and editing it.
Actually we are having some problems on the ascii-->ebcdic translation here...[ e ] get corrupted by stranfe chars all the time... |
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| vennela |
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| I used to use mainframe's panvalet which has the source code control etc. When I di COBOL programming I always did it on it. |
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| kevinf2349 |
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ISPF with lots of Rexx code for version control and documentation type things....then I use TSO XMIT and XMIT manager on the PC to keep the source safe and portable  |
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| Vitor |
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ISPF.
Though I'm so bipolar I can use vi as well and like it.... 
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| LuisFer |
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| HubertKleinmanns |
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| zpat wrote: |
I always use the ISPF editor, it has colour highlighting, macros etc.
But I frequently FTP source files to a PC from UNIX because I think VI is brain-damaged (as are those who like it ). |
But vi is also available on Windows and (in USS) on mainframes - for "brain-damaged" users like me 
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| HubertKleinmanns wrote: |
But vi is also available on Windows and (in USS) on mainframes - for "brain-damaged" users like me |
This board is just so informative.....
{Quick, Mr Google, where's vi for Windows.......}
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| HubertKleinmanns |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| HubertKleinmanns wrote: |
But vi is also available on Windows and (in USS) on mainframes - for "brain-damaged" users like me |
This board is just so informative.....
{Quick, Mr Google, where's vi for Windows.......} |
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| Vitor |
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| HubertKleinmanns wrote: |
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Found it and thank you
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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All,
Thanks for the input - sorry for the delay but I hae been really, really busy.
Like many people, I started out on the mainframe in the 80's. In the 90's, I started using an editor called Kedit on the PC - first on DOS then OS/2 and finally on Windows. It's a great editor; it has macros and can run REXX as a scripting language. I customized it to look like the ISPF editor. I built scripts to push and pull files to/from any environment with a simple click.
Several years ago, I switched over to Eclipse and built Ant scripts to push and pull files to/from any environment with a simple click.
I figured by now most people were doing this but I guess I have blinders on. Big thick blinders on!
In case you were wondering why I would ask that question, here it is:
After I announced that I was porting my 2 security solutions to the mainframe, I got a couple of emails asking me if I was going to port MQ Visual Edit to the mainframe. I gave the usual response of 'MQ Visual Edit can remotely connect to any mainframe queue manager'. Ever so often I get the same question and then I got it again today.
Of course, this got me thinking. Hummmmm. Maybe there are a lot of mainframe people who simply prefer to use mainframe tools rather than PC based tools.
And by the responses, it would appear to be true. 
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Roger Lacroix
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| bbburson |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| RogerLacroix wrote: |
Of course, this got me thinking. Hummmmm. Maybe there are a lot of mainframe people who simply prefer to use mainframe tools rather than PC based tools.
And by the responses, it would appear to be true. |
Roger,
If you took a similar poll for UNIX folks you might be equally surprised. For instance, most of my queue managers are on AIX, HP-UX and Sun. I use my PC to run an ssh client to attach to the servers and do almost all my work in vi. It just depends on what you grew up on, I suppose, and I for one cannot find reason enough to become Window-ized. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| bbburson wrote: |
| I use my PC to run an ssh client to attach to the servers and do almost all my work in vi. |
As do I. Please see my comment above
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| jdye |
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Roger,
In our shop all mainframe development is done on the mainframe using a version management and ISPF based workbench tool called Changeman, as is our JCL development and storage. Our mainframe development group develops strictly mainframe applications. Like you, most of them started in the 80s and a few are not that PC savvy. We had to wrestle a dumb terminal from one of our mainframe guys; didn't even what to use a PC for terminal emulation. Some totally embrace new technology and others wish technology would stand still. From what I have seen is that in larger shops, people specialize more. In our shop, our mainframe devleopers are 90-100% mainframe.
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