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| msca |
 Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: send message to MQ with a soap call and vica versa |
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Hi!
The situation. We have an mq. Some partners would like to send message's to our queue, but they are outside of our network(firewall). We cant let them out, we can't give them vpn. How we could manage, that they can send and receive messages from Queues.
method1: the integrator has some kind of stuff for soap as i heard.
method2: use a webserver at the edge of network which convert to/from soap/mq messages? Where can i find working tools for that. I have to develop my custom java classes for this? to convert messages, set fields, etc.etc.
method3. ma0r, ma0v packages. In our situation it is not usable. am i right? these suppacks is that change the soap transport from http to wmq.? But it is not good for me to send message to queues.?
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Szabi
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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MQIPT is what you want.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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If the partners have MQ at their end, or are willing to, then either:
1. Open firewalls port and use SSL MQ channels
2. Define a VPN and use standard MQ channels
3. Use MQ Internet Pass-through (HTTP or HTTPS)
However I often find third-parties don't actually want to use MQ so you would typically run a bridge program in your DMZ. This program would adapter MQ (internally) to something like web services (externally). |
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| msca |
| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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"However I often find third-parties don't actually want to use MQ so you would typically run a bridge program in your DMZ. This program would adapter MQ (internally) to something like web services (externally)."
What kind of third party ?
Iam looking for some kind of a gateway between soap and mq.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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What's wrong with writing a program yourself to bridge between MQ and SOAP/HTTP - eg in .Net?
You could use products like Biztalk or other gateways but they cost a fair amount. |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I believe there is a SOAP support pack and there are some SOAP support jars and folders in the MQ v6 install.
Check it out, read up, try it and report back 
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| jefflowrey |
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Also, to clarify.
MQ is a transport. HTTP is a transport.
SOAP is a message format.
You do not bridge between SOAP and MQ. You are looking to bridge between HTTP and MQ, where you are transporting SOAP messages across the bridge.
Depending on the application on the MQ side, you may not even want to carry SOAP messages on MQ. You may want to extract the data, and pass it as an MQ message.
WebSphere Message Broker version 6 can act as this bridge for you, in either case.
It's not cheap.
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| msca |
| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Hi
thx for posts 
fjb_saper: I find support pack ma0r and ma0v only. The packs for using the wmq transport instead of http transport in case of soap messages.
But i cannot really use them as a gateway service. But could happend that iam worng. This is why i created this topic
zpat: I dont mind writing custom application. Its seems easy. But it will be used over big traffic. I never did anything, i am a bit scared. And iam wondering is any stuff i can use, which is hardly tested and supported already. and cheap of course
jefflowrey: Maybe i can use message broker as a gateway between/bridge http-> MQ ?
so the question is still on.
Am i have to write application for transforming soap/http messages to mq messages?
or is any stuff ready by IBM or other manufacturers?
Question no2.: What happends if a BIG-BIG soap messages i have to send. We have mq messages over 10-20 Megabyes. Is any limit in the soap? I will be able to send a 10-20M messages through soap/http?
thx alll!
Szabi
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| jefflowrey |
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Yes, you can definitely use Message Broker to be the bridge between HTTP and MQ. Message Broker is not inexpensive, though.
Yes, you can send large messages over HTTP... think about how many files you've downloaded from the web.
It may not be the best choice for larger stuff. There isn't a technical limit that I'm aware of, unlike with MQ where you can only put 100MB into a single message (but it's easy to pass multiple messages).
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