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| DryHeatDave |
 Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: WID - trial/evaluation Download Q's. |
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Stupid Question # 2398547439587 - has IBM made available, a trial/evaluation version of WID (6.0?).
New to WID, relatively new to Websphere. But after 20 years as a mainframer, I'm proof, you can teach an old dog new tricks 
I just downloaded & installed WSADIE 5.something - but I'd rather learn the latest & greatest - that way, by the time I know what I'm doing, there will be some sites where it's used/useful.
Q. Is WID the tool of choice, or is there a freeware equivilent?
Do people actually (gulp) pay for their own copy, or do they rely on the employer/client/mark ?
THX.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Um.
Usually people either rely on their employer or they pay for a developer license.
A freeware equivalent to what?
Eclipse (http://www.eclipse.org/) is the freeware basis for all of IBM's development tools - including RAD, WSAD, WSADIE, WID, Broker Toolkit, etc.
All of IBM's tools have a large value add above the base tools available for eclipse. Although there are a wide variety of free or otherwise plugins available for eclipse that can provide useful functionality. I quite like EPIC, myself.
Whether WID is the tool of choice depends on what you are trying to do. If you're just trying to do basic java web application development, then you can probably get away with Eclipse + Web Tools Project (WTP) - which is free.
If you're looking to do J2EE development, you probably want RAD.
If you're looking to do Process development using BPEL, then you want WID if you are going to deploy to WebSphere Process Server. I don't know if WID is better for Process Choreographer than WSADIE - but it's newer so it should be.
If you're doing Message Broker development, then you really need the Broker Toolkit.
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| DryHeatDave |
| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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THX.
Still not sure about my direction. Actually not sure I want to get back into development - might like to do more design/architecture.
Won't be doing plain Java. May do a little J2EE. MQ is fun (although not a full time role for me right now). Even .net looks interesting. I've always been a generalist.
At the moment, I'm working to build a bunch of SOA's, as the MQ (App. Dev.) SME & provding mainframe technical oversight. But I work for a large consultancy (not IBM) and most everyone else is a functional analyst. Maybe that's rubbing off on me too.
Guess I'll go away & think a little more, before spending any $$$.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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You may want to dig into the Rational Unified Process, then, and learn UML.
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| vennela |
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Deveolping BPEL based applications in WSADIE and WID are quite different. Except the actual process development, building and interfacing is completely different.
Anyway, there is a trial version of WID available. There is trial version of RAD also available. |
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| jbanoop |
| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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If you are looking at a good IDE for J2EE development as Jeff said, Eclipse is a very good option.
Eclipse 3.1 (downloadable from http://www.eclipse.org) together with the Web Standard Toolkit - WST (downloadable form http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/wst/main.html) provide a really powerful J2EE dev environment (almost behaves in my experience similar to RAD/WSAD) .. try integrating with Tomcat or JBoss.
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| DryHeatDave |
| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I'd forgetten that Eclipse was pretty much on a par with WSAD. I started looking at WSADIE & WID, on the assumption it would provide more help in the integration process, especially for my current SOA project : GUI - HTTP/SOAP - Web service - Biztalk - MQ - OTMA - service provider & back (about a dozen coarse-grained mainframe services replacing a rats nest of about 80 inter-related screen-scraped green screens). I'm trying to cover (technical oversight/leadership) everything between Biztalk & mainframe.
But I'm getting by with platform specific tools and MQ Explorer, for now. So I guess I'm in no rush to get into WID, for a while.
Think I'll go play with Rational Software Architect & Software Modeler for a while - the'll make a fun diversion.
Thanks for the responses.
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