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| javagate |
 Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: MQSeries has a new name... |
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MQSeries is being renamed to ESB (enterprise service bus) part of WebSphere now.
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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So it that WebSphere Enterprise Service Bus or just Enterprise Service Bus.
Got a link to the story?
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| bower5932 |
| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: MQSeries has a new name... |
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| javagate wrote: |
| MQSeries is being renamed to ESB (enterprise service bus) part of WebSphere now. |
I don't have a link, but I don't believe this is quite true. However, MQSeries is being renamed to WebSphere MQ. 
That happened a couple years ago didn't it? |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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WebSphere MQ is a transport.
ESB is, according to IBM (from what I've seen, maybe javagate has newer information that he/she didn't link to...),
a) an architectural pattern that includes both a transport and a set of schemas and patterns on top of that transport that allow for the implementation of a Service Oriented Architecture... It seems clear that an SOA would need an Enterprise Service Bus to build a proper SOA enterprise...
b) contradicting their earlier statements about ESB the design pattern - ESB is a product. It includes a transport layer, that I believe is MQ (although it could be the new JMS provider in WAS 6, that bridges to MQ), and it includes tools for making use of and supporting the schemas and design patterns that sit on top of the transport.
But it seems clear to me (but I'm only speculating) that the market share for traditional MQ is in the process of migrating to a more JMS/SOA market space. And thus, it would not be surprising if IBM's product line followed (as much as it tried to lead) the market share.
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| javagate |
| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
WebSphere MQ is a transport.
b) contradicting their earlier statements about ESB the design pattern - ESB is a product. It includes a transport layer, that I believe is MQ (although it could be the new JMS provider in WAS 6, that bridges to MQ), and it includes tools for making use of and supporting the schemas and design patterns that sit on top of the transport.
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b above sums things up...
ESB is a product.
SOA a concept.
The information I (a he) received was at the IBM WebSphere Technical Exchange Cnf in Miami this past week. There IBM developers told me MQSeries (currently WebSphere MQ) was being renamed to ESB which will includes some things like JMS, and other components not mentioned.
But actually the name would have to
be WebSphere Enterprise Service Bus as per an earlier post.
But I think it will be more like
WebSphere ESB.There is no link to post or I would have done so.
IBM is pushing SOA/ESB and J2EE MAJOR BIG TIME.
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| markt |
| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:40 am Post subject: |
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> IBM developers told me MQSeries (currently WebSphere MQ) was being renamed to ESB which will includes some things like JMS
Either totally untrue or you have misunderstood. Were these "IBM developers" part of the MQ development organisation? I doubt it. |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Actually if you are attentive it's all there in V6.
You do have:
Websphere V6 internal JMS Provider (JMS provider + bus internal transport ?)
Websphere V6 Service Integration Bus (raw bus)
Websphere V6 Process Server (Orchestration services)
Websphere V6 Broker (Transformation and routing)
Websphere V6 MQ (Transport)
This is the pallette of products that make the ESB.
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| hopsala |
| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Also see Message Broker vs. ESB.
And as markt said, either you misheard/misunderstood, or the said "IBM developers" did. |
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| javagate |
| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I was told this in a session called 'WebSphere v6 meet the experts'.
i.e... We are talking about WebSphere Application Server here.
A panel of IBM WebSphere developers...
"...MQSeries is being renamed to ESB...."
"...will include JMS and some other things..."
"...Message Broker is the advanced ESB..."
Being renamed to me means 'future' not present. Let us see what the future will bring and end the pissing contest.
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| javagate wrote: |
| Let us see what the future will bring and end the pissing contest. |
take it easy.....
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| jfluitsm |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| surfnit |
| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Great.. I am still on MQ and MQSI. I never adapted to IBMs dumb naming conventions... |
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| hopsala |
| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| surfnit wrote: |
| Great.. I am still on MQ and MQSI. |
MQSI 
Then naming conventions is the Least of your problems... |
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