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| JLRowe |
 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject: Now IBM have 3 (perhaps 4) integration products |
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Well, with the acquisition of Ascential we now have 3 products that seem to have quite a bit of overlap:
Message broker
ICS
Datastage TX
Although they have all been designed from different perspectives and have major differences, you cannot get over the fact that all 3 are suitable candidates for most integration projects.
I was on a project in 2000 to determine the best integration product for a client, guess what the 3 main competitors were? Yep, you guessed: Crossworlds, MQSI and Mercator (the same products with their previous names)
Also, if you throw in WAS foundation/integration edition, this also has a lot of similarities to the other products.
I'm sure glad i'm not an IBM salesperson! |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| In my experience vendors rarely maintain complex multiple products with overlapping function indefinitely. The trick is therefore to spot the one that will absorb the others, if you want to avoid migrations later. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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My understanding of the Ascential purchase is that the really interesting part (aside from the ETL) is the metadata, and that the metadata components will be merged with various products like ICS and etc.
I do not expect the Look&Feel to survive the process, nor do I expect that things like ESQL will go away completely in the next few years.
Change is the nature of the universe and the nature of this business. It is better to plan for it and work with it than to try and plan against it.
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| Tibor |
| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Now IBM have 3 (perhaps 4) integration products |
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| JLRowe wrote: |
Message broker
ICS
Datastage TX |
...and what about Lotus Enterprise Integrator? 
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Now IBM have 3 (perhaps 4) integration products |
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| Tibor wrote: |
...and what about Lotus Enterprise Integrator?
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And WebSphere Information Integrator.
And in the minds of some J2EE Architects, WebSphere App Server!
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| djeripo |
| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Is MQWF not an Integration product? |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Now IBM have 3 (perhaps 4) integration products |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
And in the minds of some J2EE Architects, WebSphere App Server! |
Are you talking about WAS base or WebSphere Server Foundation ? (the counterpart for Websphere Studio Application Development Integration Edition .... WSADIE) |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Now IBM have 3 (perhaps 4) integration products |
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| fjb_saper wrote: |
| jefflowrey wrote: |
And in the minds of some J2EE Architects, WebSphere App Server! |
Are you talking about WAS base or WebSphere Server Foundation ? (the counterpart for Websphere Studio Application Development Integration Edition .... WSADIE) |
I meant Base. There is a certain school of J2EE architecture that appears not to believe in anything outside of the container, and that integration is best handled through synchronous, tightly coupled communications over HTTP.
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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In my view, server foundation (and the accompanying WSADIE development tool) has some integration like functionality, but obviously with a strong J2EE bias.
You can have a microflow which completes all work in a single transaction, you can call java code, EJB's, connectors and web services, and you can also call WBI connectors. When compared to WBIMB, what it does not have is strong support for legacy and non-xml formats.
But most stuff I have done so far with message broker (or ICS) you could do with server foundation although it may not be the best tool for the job. |
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| Michael Dag |
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