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| SteveG |
 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: Which Modeling Tool to use? |
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Hi all -
We are currently looking at bringing MQWF into our organization are are actively evaluating it. However, we do have a question that we seem to keep circling around and around, and that is a question of which modeling tool to use.
IBM's recommendation is to use Workbench 4.2.4 (along with Monitor 4.2.4). This seems to be the most full featured tool, but does not seem to be very intuitive for either the business analyst or the developers.
We've taken a brief look at Modeler V5.1. This certainly seems to be more intuitive, at least from the business analyst side. However, our understanding is that we would need to pull the FDL into Buildtime in order to complete the process and make it run-able under Workflow. Also, there is no monitor product associated with this version. But, our understanding is to expect the next version, based off of V5.1, to include a monitor tool that is much better than the current one.
At this point, I think we are leaning toward V5.1 with the intend of upgrading to the next version of Modeler and Monitor when they come out.
My question is - "Does anyone have any experience using WebSphere Modeler V5.1 with MQ Workflow?". If so, what is your general impression? Has it worked okay to finish the build process in Buildtime? Have updates been a challenge? Did you switch from a different Modeling tool?
Any sage wisdom anyone can provide will be appreciated!!
- Steve (hopefully a future MQWF geek) |
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| jmac |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:07 am Post subject: |
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My personal preference is Buildtime for modeling. However, my role is MQWF Developer, not Business Analyst. Modeler brings to the table some things that are definitely nice for the Business Analyst, but don't do much for MQWF itself.
As to Modeler 5.1 vs 4.2.4, I would say that if you were to go with 5.1 you would also have to learn buildtime, since 5.1 does not produce complete FDL (or BPEL). So if I were going to use modeler it would definitely by 4.2.4.
Bottom line: Modeler (to me) is a Buisness Analyst's tool, which can (in the case of 4.2.4) produce close to 100% of the FDL that Buildtime can produce, and has some nice value adds for the BA.
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| karthik |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Hi Steve
If you were to use Both MQWF and WBI Monitor , workbench is the best tool available , compatible to both and produces the FDL and the XML (required for MQWF and Monitor respectively) in almost ready to be used state by these runtime engines.
I think Modeler is far from this functionality and i am not sure whether this functionality is provided in the very near future.
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| kotha |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| karthik wrote: |
Hi Steve
workbench is the best tool available , compatible to both and produces the FDL and the XML (required for MQWF and Monitor respectively) in almost ready to be used state by these runtime engines. |
regarding, Workflow model, Workbench is not a good candidate solution as the imported FDL from workbench lack many required attributes and need more modifications. Instead, developing a model in Workflow and importing to Workbench (.org file) is giving more impressive results!!!. |
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| jmac |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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| kotha wrote: |
| Workbench is not a good candidate solution as the imported FDL from workbench lack many required attributes and need more modifications. |
While, I am definitely in favor of using Buildtime, I must disagree with your statement that Modeler 4.2.4 lacks manyattributes. Yes there are a few, most of which are fairly obscure and not widely used. If you have specific fields you are looking to set via Modeler, let me know and I will help you find them.
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