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| vinod_sri |
 Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: Leveraging both WebSphere MQ and MSMQ |
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Hi,
My responsibilities deal with setting up the middleware messaging system environment in an efficient way which should cut the costs to a maximum extent possible.
I have considered a right mix of WebSphere MQ and MSMQ will achieve the leverage. The infrastructure is like one Headquarters server runs on AIX and more than 4000 retail stores have individual servers run on Windows 2000. I am thinking of setting up MSMQ on all the Windows servers(at retail store level) and WebSphere MQ on the centralized AIX box and using the MQ-MSMQ bridge to establish communication between these two groups. This is just an idea.
I am not much into desigining/architectural duties before. So Could any one please suggest me the best approach in this regard.
Besides the MQ-MSMQ bridge, should I have to establish communication channels between MSMQ servers(Retail) QMs and WebSphere MQ server(Headquarters) QMs?
And please let me know if I have to take necessary steps to make this work.
Thanks in advance
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| kirani |
| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Can you explain what type of applications will be running on each of these server and what type of data will be exchanged between Stores server and Headquarters server via messaging?
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| vinod_sri |
| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Hi Kiran,
Thanks for your quick response.
We get information from different sources like Direct store delivery(DSD) info in xml format and item, catalog info in flat file format, daily sales reports in EDI format(but Gentran transforms this into flat file format before sending(mqput) it to the queue) etc......
Ultimately all the information will be directed to AIX Server for further routing.
Thanks
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| kirani |
| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:21 am Post subject: |
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And what about the applications running on Windows 2000 server? What technology/programming lang are they using? How about the volume/traffic between these servers?
Is there any specific reason behind using MSMQ on Windows 2000 server? Are those applications currently using MSMQ? Can this be changed when you redesign this? How about using MQSeries Client on those Windows 2000 server and have them talk to AIX server?
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| vinod_sri |
| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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kiran,
Applications are java based. I am not sure about the volume. But I guess it is moderate.
As I already mentioned, the firm wants to cut down the cost.
First time we are planning to initiate MOM based technology into the system. So there is no existing set up. This has to be done with in the budget.
Thanks for your time and concern
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| bower5932 |
| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| As I already mentioned, the firm wants to cut down the cost. |
The WMQ clients you can get for free and then pay for the single qmgr license on the AIX box. I'd be inclined to stick with an all WMQ solution since if nothing else, it should be easier to administer. |
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed, I agree with Kirani and bower on this one. The WMQ Client is Free and very easy to use especially with JAVA based applications.
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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An MQClient connection from a store in Alaska to the central server in Miami (exact cities don't matter)?????
Technically possible. I hope his network is bulletproof! And I hope he doesn't have important messages!
Hmmmm, I got a 2009 on my MQCMIT call. Did the commit work, or didn't it? Should I send the message again? What if it did work, now I will have duplicates?
Technically possible. But what a nightmare if the network gets flaky.
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I am not much into desigining/architectural duties before.
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As I already mentioned, the firm wants to cut down the cost.....This has to be done with in the budget.
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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You might want to look into MQe
One big MQ server central with the bridge to MQe and the MQe server and each location running MQe client ??
Don't know about the $$ but it should minimize the footprint for the locations.
Hope it helps some
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| vinod_sri |
| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:46 am Post subject: Hi Folks |
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First of all, I have to thank all of you for your valuable suggestions. I clearly understood that there is no additional cost involved in using MQ clients instead of MSMQ.
surely, I am going to keep in mind these things while making any recommendations to the top level.
Thanks again
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