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| Vitor |
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| serpota wrote: |
a lateral question : is Active MQ able to connect to MQ server ?
shall give it a try ... |
I will be very interested to hear if Active MQ can receive data from a IBM WMQ sender MCA. I'll also be interested to hear what the support position would be, and the legal standpoint given the MCA is IP of IBM.
(IP = Intellectual Property. Patented, copyright, etc, etc)
(OP = Original Poster. )
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
You can't configure any piece of software, at all, anywhere, to receive the network traffic from a Sender channel, unless that piece of software is an MQ queue manager.
That's the only thing that can receive MQ traffic from a sender channel over TCPIP or any other network protocol.
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MQIPT can receive network traffic from a Sender channel. But MQIPT then has to forward it to a MQ Queue Manager anyway. So MQIPT doesn't help our original poster.
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| bruce2359 |
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| Vitor wrote: |
... I'll also be interested to hear what the support position would be, and the legal standpoint given the MCA is IP of IBM.
(IP = Intellectual Property. Patented, copyright, etc, etc)
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Like other WMQ components, the MCA is a replaceable part (service), should you want to write a proprietary telecom protocol.
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| Esa |
| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Have you considered moving your MQ Server out of your mainrfame? You have told us that MQ license fees are very expensive. They are not - unless you run MQ on a Z-OS, as far as I know. And on Z-OS you cannot run MQ Client... ... that could fit the picture?
Unless your company is very, very small.
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... customer is in Germany
... we are in Italy
... they are already working
... our dep wants to reduce costs
... their boss is not on our side
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As we have agreed, these are all business level requirements. They need a business level solution. Some suggestions:
- instead of cutting costs, raise the prices
- say goodbye to the customer
- wait a year. If Italy is kicked out of Euro, the inflation of your new currency will start cutting your other costs
Don't take these too seriously. We are plain technical people here with limited understanding on business management. |
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| ankurlodhi |
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| I think it would be better if OP puts the whole senario before the management and the client, and tell them this is more costly then using mq licenence, and if some home you got throught it, there is no guarantee how good it will work in different load situations, something like this will definately have a lot's of bottelnecks. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Esa wrote: |
| We are plain technical people here with limited understanding on business management. |
I sometimes think Nobel prize winning technical people would have a limited understanding of business management. 
But there are 1 - n technical solutions, all of varying merit & none of which appear to be the solution the OP was looking for. So it comes down to how keen management are to save money, how much money they want to save & how much risk do they want to take on to save this money.
None of which are technical questions.
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| ankurlodhi |
| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I don't know about how much money they are gonna save or they want to spend on this, but there is one sure thing if the configured application once got screwed, all of there saving will go for nothing.!!
and that would be quiet bad for them..!! isn't it.
or you have a better way give them a nuckel sandwich with the taste of MQ ..  |
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| ankurlodhi |
| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:48 am Post subject: |
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buisness management what is this  ..!!
I am an MCA not an MBA  >>>
so if a technical person is asked for a solution he will give soultion, not a solution with cost cutting budget. |
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| serpota |
| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Vitor wrote: |
I will be very interested to hear if Active MQ can receive data from a IBM WMQ sender MCA.
(OP = Original Poster. ) |
Thanks a lot, Vitor - I am installing ActiveMQ right now ...
OP - interesting, didn't know, thanks. |
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| serpota |
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| Esa wrote: |
Have you considered moving your MQ Server out of your mainrfame? You have told us that MQ license fees are very expensive. They are not.
Don't take these too seriously. We are plain technical people here with limited understanding on business management. |
Thanks, mr ESA - I do always like sense of humour.
But, in my country, a MQ license for 1 PC with 1 CPU with 1 core .. costs ...
4900 euros ! (november 2011 price, non including IVA).
That price tag CAN stop/kill a project here ... |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| serpota wrote: |
| Thanks a lot, Vitor - I am installing ActiveMQ right now ... |
Be sure you have your legal people on side. I wasn't kidding about the IP. Even assuming it works you could have issues with your license and/or support agreement with IBM.
Also if it works it can only be because ActiveMQ has guessed how the MCAs work, reverse engineered the code or "obtained" it. All of which should make technical people nervous, and be transmitted to the business stakeholders who own the risk. If this lashup fails at some point, it could cost the business far more than 4900 euros.
This is assuming ActiveMQ is not raised to the ground by a phannanx of IBM attack lawyers for IP infringment, who then rampage through their installed base.....
  
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| serpota |
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| Vitor wrote: |
Be sure you have your legal people on side. I wasn't kidding about the IP. Even assuming it works you could have issues with your license and/or support agreement with IBM.
This is assuming ActiveMQ is not raised to the ground by a phannanx of IBM attack lawyers for IP infringment, who then rampage through their installed base..... |
Thanks for your advice and your patience, Vitor, really.
But I insist on (in my opinion) the technical part of it :
we have a RJ45 connector, ...
we sense Ethernet on it ...
we see TCP on it ...
I use WireShark to read IP, then TCP ...
Now I try MQIPT and ActiveMQ ...
I like this forum - good tech people here.
Thanks a lot. |
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| bruce2359 |
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My grandmother used to tell me 'just because you can do something, doesn't mean that you should do it.' This applies to petty-theft, as well as home-grown, unsupported technical solutions.
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| serpota |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| My grandmother used to tell me 'just because you can do something, doesn't mean that you should do it.' |
As I am 55+, I consider I am allowed to tell you my mother's father saying :
"If you want to know your limits, you have to go one step past of them"
(xcuse my english - "past of them" here means "one step beyond" ... one step further ... )
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Your English seems fine. And, I agree with the sentiment. But it refers to your limits only.
IMHO you solution puts your organization at substantial risk; and, to a lesser extent, puts your career at risk.
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