Is your organization ready for IPv6? |
Yes, we are using IPv6 now. |
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Kind of... we have implemented some, but not all. |
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We have a plan, but have not started on it. |
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We have no plan. |
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66% |
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What is IPv6? |
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22% |
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fjb_saper |
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:51 am Post subject: |
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The question as we're told, is not whether we, anybody, or the Internet is ready. The question is how fast are we running out of IPV4 addresses. The latest information seems to point to end of the year or first quarter next year.
At this point all major iSPs will be on IPV6, at least for communications to the outside. Others will follow. In probably less than 10 years (basically the time it will take to replace all of the private desktops, laptops, notebooks etc...) everybody will be on IPV6.
I doubt that you will find a single new PC today that will not support IPV6.
So yes times are changing... under our very own eyes. Once the remaining number of IPV4 addresses will have been exhausted, all internet facing routers will need to be talking IPV6, or talking to an IPV6 router ... .... or be seriously restricted in the range of computers they can talk to.  _________________ MQ & Broker admin |
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bruce2359 |
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: |
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The IANA appears to be recalling unused blocks of class A and class B addresses, mostly from universities. This should help alleviate some of the issues. NATted ip addresses have dramatically reduced the demand for ip addresses.
It is unlikely that any organization would stop NATting, and expose all internal network devices with public ipv6 addresses.
My original post was more focused on outside organizations (the Feds) demanding ipv6. _________________ I like deadlines. I like to wave as they pass by.
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lancelotlinc |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 4941 Location: Bloomington, IL USA
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One common misconception I often run into when discussing the future of the public address space is that IPv4 and IPv6 are mutually exclusive. (This is not a true statement.)
There are various schemes that promote interoperability. One example in your home would be your wireless router to your laptop would be IPv4 but the Internet traffic from your wireless router to your ISP woul dbe IPv6.
Before people (yes you Sir Vitor) start jumping up and down, I did not say it was an optimized solution. I merely suggest that there are ways both protocols will interoperate for a period of time to enable a smooth transition for everyone.
This will avoid the United States Government from having to buy every household on the planet an IPv6-enabled device, as they did when we switched from analog tee vee to digital.
If your hungry to see what IPv6 is like, you can also tunnel IPv6 traffic through your IPv4 protocol. Microsoft has a tunneling protocol stack for Windows 7 that you can turn on. I'm sure most Linux variants also have this feature. _________________ http://leanpub.com/IIB_Tips_and_Tricks
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Vitor |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 26093 Location: Texas, USA
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lancelotlinc wrote: |
Before people (yes you Sir Vitor) start jumping up and down, I did not say it was an optimized solution. I merely suggest that there are ways both protocols will interoperate for a period of time to enable a smooth transition for everyone. |
Objection Your Honour!
One of the key elements of the IPV6 standard is easy way you can turn a v4 into a v6 address. I see the solution you outline as potentially non-optimal from a pure technological standpoint but by far the most expedient. I certainly don't see anyone but the most hardened purist having a problem.
lancelotlinc wrote: |
This will avoid the United States Government from having to buy every household on the planet an IPv6-enabled device, as they did when we switched from analog tee vee to digital. |
Be thankful you live in the Land Of the Free and the Home of the Brave. When the UK governement did something similar, their plan was to announce that, "on this date, your TV will stop working. You should buy a new one. Or sit in the dark. But it sucks to be you." _________________ Honesty is the best policy.
Insanity is the best defence. |
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lancelotlinc |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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bruce2359 |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
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In France, there would be rioting in the streets. _________________ I like deadlines. I like to wave as they pass by.
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Vitor |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: |
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bruce2359 wrote: |
In France, there would be rioting in the streets. |
In France there would be rioting in the streets if it rained 3 days in a row.
Once the weather improved obviously. _________________ Honesty is the best policy.
Insanity is the best defence. |
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fjb_saper |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Vitor wrote: |
bruce2359 wrote: |
In France, there would be rioting in the streets. |
In France there would be rioting in the streets if it rained 3 days in a row.
Once the weather improved obviously. |
Not quite. First and before the cut off date there would be public protestations and strike.
After cut off date there would be some rioting involving basically fringes of the population and the police forces.
Then there would be strikes with riots developing at the fringes...
Finally the government would have no choice but to either relent or imprison everybody...  _________________ MQ & Broker admin |
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exerk |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:37 am Post subject: |
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fjb_saper wrote: |
...Finally the government would have no choice but to either relent or imprison everybody...  |
And what would happen when the Bastille is full?  _________________ It's puzzling, I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this before...and it's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys. |
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fjb_saper |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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exerk wrote: |
fjb_saper wrote: |
...Finally the government would have no choice but to either relent or imprison everybody...  |
And what would happen when the Bastille is full?  |
Why another revolution of course!  _________________ MQ & Broker admin |
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mqjeff |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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fjb_saper wrote: |
exerk wrote: |
fjb_saper wrote: |
...Finally the government would have no choice but to either relent or imprison everybody...  |
And what would happen when the Bastille is full?  |
Why another revolution of course!  |
Unless it's Août or Septembre... |
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bruce2359 |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Oui! Why would you want to interrupt holidays for a revolution? _________________ I like deadlines. I like to wave as they pass by.
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Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi. As we Worship, So we Believe, So we Live. |
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fjb_saper |
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Non...non vous avez un mois de retart.
Les vacances c'est en juillet et en août.
Septembre c'est la rentree des classes et la greve des instits...
(September is back to school and teachers' (union) strikes.) _________________ MQ & Broker admin |
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