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| nathanw |
 Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:59 am Post subject: WBIMB Platform Ambiguity |
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Simple questions are never the easiest to answer.
I am reasonably sure that what I am about to state is true, can someone please confirm.
When installing WBIMB the toolkit must be on windows but the broker and config manager and user name server(if required) can run on any platform.
The reason I state this is I know Broker can run just about anywhere, but surely the config manager is not limited to windows.
I have checked through various information places and the closest answer to deny my above statement is here
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wbihelp/index.jsp
Basically under the config manager portion it states
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You install and configure the Configuration Manager runtime component on Windows platforms only. |
yet there is not a definitive list anywhere
I admit I may be worng but can someone please confirm this
Cheers
PS the reason I am asking is that a client wants to run Configmanager on AIX along with Broker |
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| fschofer |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Hi Nathan,
you can definitely only run the config manager on windows
with WBIMB 5 or WMQI 2.1
Greetings
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:19 am Post subject: |
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The main reason that the configmgr has to be on Windows is that it relies on Windows security for user and group authentication for the Toolkit roles.
I am still assuming that v6 will allow the direct use of LDAP instead, and thus you will be able to run a v6 configmgr on AIX.
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| PGoodhart |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Configuration Manager: Windows up to server 2003
Toolkit: Windows up to xp professional last I checked (though I do run it on 2003), though I am not completely sure eclipse hasn't been ported to unix/linux, I don't think the plugins will work.
Broker: AIX, Windows up to server 2003, "UNIX", Solaris, and a different implementation on Z/OS (totally different code).
MQ: Darn near anything...
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| PGoodhart wrote: |
MQ: Darn near anything... |
I think you mean... "priceless."
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| mqmatt |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
I am still assuming that v6 will allow the direct use of LDAP instead, and thus you will be able to run a v6 configmgr on AIX. |
Porting the Config Manager to other platforms is certainly up there in the trends and directions, but the use of LDAP is not:
http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16059
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| mqmatt wrote: |
| jefflowrey wrote: |
I am still assuming that v6 will allow the direct use of LDAP instead, and thus you will be able to run a v6 configmgr on AIX. |
Porting the Config Manager to other platforms is certainly up there in the trends and directions, but the use of LDAP is not:
http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16059
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If you have to refactor the code to eliminate the dependancy on Windows security, how much harder is it to add an LDAP security provider - particularly when the code for such is heavily used is the entire rest of the WebSphere family of products?
And I thought that the trend was to componentize the entire product line, and then remix the pieces to provide a better suite of products.
Or is the problem fundamental to the Eclipse platform - that it only passes in the OS level user? In which case, how is a Windows Toolkit going to authenticate against an AIX configmgr?
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: |
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LDAP would be trivial to implement if it ran within WAS,
but that's never going to happen is it... |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| timna wrote: |
LDAP would be trivial to implement if it ran within WAS,
but that's never going to happen is it... |
Heh. Depends on who you ask, and when!
My point is, LDAP should be trivial to implement because they can take code from WAS.
There's already a JVM munged into the thing - so the fact that the WAS code is in Java shouldn't be a problem.
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| nathanw |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: |
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looks like I opened a can of worms here
thanks for input folks as it has solved several problems for me
TBH i dont see why you cant have config manager running elsewhere as all you need is the security etc then surely just ensuring the correct security settings on AIX should solve that
am i being a dumbass maybe but think about it. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: |
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My point about windows vs AIX was, without a central repository like LDAP, there are only some limited ways to ensure that user A on Windows is the same as user A on AIX.
Until they allow for config mgrs running on different platforms, they don't need to worry about this. user A on Domain X on Windows is always going to be user A on Domain X.
And having to configure AIX to use Active Directory as it's OS level security provider is not something that I think most shops will want to do... So again, if the config mgr is on AIX and the Toolkit is only passing OS level user ids - how do you authenticate Windows users to the config mgr?
But I'm sure they've already solved this problem. But apparently without using an LDAP central repository.
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