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| nick12 |
 Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:40 am Post subject: ESQL tooling |
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Do any of you use any ESQL tooling? (Linters, formatters, etc)?
I've found the warnings given by the toolkit to be *very* basic and unopinionated. Also, the built in formatter feels useless since it, for some reason, prepends a newline to the file every time it's run (I'm on 10.0.0.7) |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:03 am Post subject: Re: ESQL tooling |
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| nick12 wrote: |
| Do any of you use any ESQL tooling? (Linters, formatters, etc)? |
If you're not using the supplied IBM Toolkit:
- why?
- how?
| nick12 wrote: |
| I've found the warnings given by the toolkit to be *very* basic and unopinionated. |
Quote some examples, especially where you feel it's worse than the unhelpful statements IBM traditionally peppers its products with.
| nick12 wrote: |
| Also, the built in formatter feels useless since it, for some reason, prepends a newline to the file every time it's run (I'm on 10.0.0.7) |
Do you mean the formatter within the development toolkit which formats the ESQL?
If yes, that sounds very odd and is not something I've experienced
If no, you have a code issue.
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| nick12 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I *am* using the toolkit. I've just found it rather basic in the aspects I mentioned compared to linters/formatters I've used with other technologies.
I wasn't comparing against "the unhelpful statements IBM traditionally peppers its products with", but against other equivalent tools I'm familiar with with other technologies. A simple example is warnings against something deprecated like https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSMKHH_9.0.0/com.ibm.etools.mft.doc/ak05520_.htm. I would also expect any sufficiently advanced linter to support/require special comments to suppress lints/warnings, and maybe have a configuration to enable/disable certain groups of lints.
Within the toolkit, when I hit ctrl+shift+f (Format), it does format but prepends a newline to the whole file, which speaks to me of how unused/unmantained it is. Also, I'd expect any half decent formatter to have rich configuration ability (Not everyone wants to format their code the same way). |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| nick12 wrote: |
| I *am* using the toolkit. I've just found it rather basic in the aspects I mentioned compared to linters/formatters I've used with other technologies. |
Welcome to the world of IBM.
Welcome to the world of IBM.
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| I would also expect any sufficiently advanced linter to support/require special comments to suppress lints/warnings, and maybe have a configuration to enable/disable certain groups of lints. |
The Toolkit is limited to whatever features it can inherit from Eclipse. I do seem to recall some ability to suppress messages that someone who actually remembers how to do it will probably post about in a minute.
I've worked with IBM (not just this product) long enough to have a mild case of Stockholm Syndrome, and accept that the messages are a bit rubbish, the editor's a bit clunky and the world doesn't move like everything else.
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| Within the toolkit, when I hit ctrl+shift+f (Format), it does format but prepends a newline to the whole file, which speaks to me of how unused/unmantained it is. |
Given that it's near-impossible to develop ESQL in anything else, I refute the unused statement and it's certainly not unmaintained. A very quick and non-comprehensive test of your problem on my copy does not display the same behavior; I'd be interested in the experiences of the reading population.....chaps?
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| Also, I'd expect any half decent formatter to have rich configuration ability (Not everyone wants to format their code the same way). |
Again, welcome to the world of IBM and the Eclipse platform. Again I remember some level of ability to configure the way the formatter behaves but again not something I use.
Personally, I like everyone's code formatted the same way because it help me when I need to pick up someone's code and follow it because they're on vacation & it's going contact admin.
Like I said, a lot of years 
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| nick12 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:43 am Post subject: |
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> Personally, I like everyone's code formatted the same way because it help me when I need to pick up someone's code and follow it because they're on vacation & it's going contact admin.
Yes, I completely agree. However no one in my company seems to use the built in formatter, and I've experienced the issue I mentioned in my and 2 coworkers' installations, which makes it kind if unusable. (Other goodies such as being able to check if everything is formatter from the CLI for CI or running the formatter on a whole folder of files would be nice).
I'm not so sure we're 100% bound to the one shipped with the toolkit, I believe eclipse allows one to add java made plugins? I've heard one can make formatters using these. It might be possible to replace the default one with a custom one. |
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| nick12 wrote: |
| Yes, I completely agree. However no one in my company seems to use the built in formatter, and I've experienced the issue I mentioned in my and 2 coworkers' installations, which makes it kind if unusable. |
Weird. A PMR may help.
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| (Other goodies such as being able to check if everything is formatter from the CLI for CI or running the formatter on a whole folder of files would be nice). |
An RFE may help.
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| I'm not so sure we're 100% bound to the one shipped with the toolkit, I believe eclipse allows one to add java made plugins? I've heard one can make formatters using these. It might be possible to replace the default one with a custom one. |
That's way past my Java and my Eclipse knowledge. I do know that the Toolkit is one single Eclipse plugin so presumably you'd need to replace / import all the non-formatting code (like the production of bar files and so forth) from the IBM one. And repeat it for each fix pack IBM issues.
But like I said, not my space at all. I wish you good fortune with your endeavor and others may be able to post more helpful advice.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| FWIW, I tend to agree with you. ESQL is a domain-specific language with all of the usual advantages and disadvantages. In an ideal world, the ESQL editor would be open-sourced so that people who care could have a crack at fixing the most annoying 'features'. On the whole, though, it's not bad. I've certainly seen worse. |
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