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| timmy |
 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:29 am Post subject: SeeBeyond over MQSeries |
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Anyone has used SeeBeyond over MQSeries?
I'm studying the possibility of use Seebeyond over MQSeries, but I'm not sure about its compatibility.
Is there any comparative between SeeBeyond and other similar solutions (Crossworlds, WebMethods, MS BizTalk...)?
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| bower5932 |
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| vilyin |
| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:23 am Post subject: SeeBeyond over MQSeries |
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Yes, I worked on a prject where we used SeeBeyond eGate/eInsight product suite. To interface to MQ you would use their MQ adapter. They work together pretty well. Also you can connect to MQ through either java or jms.
About other products:
Crossworlds is an IBM product, so theoretically you would get better integration although you have to keep in mind that it's a fairly new product and it needs to go through the maturity process.
WebMethods is primarily hhtp based. Also the company went through a serious turmoil over the last couple years.
MS BizTalk: I wouldn't know much about it. It's enough to mention taht it's MS, which means you are restricted to Wintel.
Vitria is another competitor. they have a Businessware product suite.
All of the above have their pros and cons.
I don't think you'll find any comparison that you would be able just put side by side, go through the features and choose a product.
You need to consider you company's vertical (Industry), your company size, set of requirements (what exactly you are trying to accomplish), product(and solution) cost, Vendor consulting capabilities, independent consultants availability, etc.
Hope it helps some,
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Vitaliy |
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| bduncan |
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I once dealt with the same question. I was asked to do a performance analysis comparing MQSeries and eGate. I will tell you that my experience with SeeBeyond was less than satisfactory. There were numerous problems inherent with the product, the least of which was the fact that while they assured us we could use Java everywhere we needed custom coding, we had to resort to using MONK (SeeBeyond's own proprietary language) in many places. Obviously there aren't many MONK programmers running around, so this made our solution very hard to maintain. And while MQSeries could truly provide us with XA-transaction resource coordination, SeeBeyond could not (even though they claimed to support 2-phase commits - again, in MONK only). There were also major concerns about SeeBeyond in a failover environment.
To qualify all this, I last worked with SeeBeyond two years ago, so the product may have changed for the better since then.
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| RAIQ |
| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: Best way to connect wmq 5.3 and seebeyond? |
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hi there
what's the best (or only) way to connect a wmq 5.3 queuemanager hosted in one company with a seebeyond queuemanager in the other company. have we to implement an adapter? is there anything out of the box (ibm's box  ). jms?
first of all, i'm looking for the direction "wmq to seebeyond"
links? manuals?
thanx for help!
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| bduncan |
| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:09 am Post subject: |
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It's been 3 years since I touched SeeBeyond, but if I recall we were able to use SeeBeyond out of the box to connect to an MQ queue manager and retrieve messages from it.
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| kubotaPete |
| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:31 pm Post subject: Best way to connect wmq 5.3 and seebeyond? |
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I feel compelled to answer because we just sent a message from MQ to SeeBeyond an hour ago.
The new version of SeeBeyond (5.0.x) has separately purchased connectors called 'eWays'. There are over 60 that I know of, for connecting to CICS, HTTP, weblogic, MQSeries, etc. There is one for the native MQSeries and one for MQSeriesJMS.
We used the native MQSeries eWay. The instructions tell you that the MQ qmgr must be on the same server as the SeeBeyond logical host (J2EE server), yet one of the configuration parameters is a channel name. ??? and another is the host name. ??? Sounds like client connection information to me. It also wants a userid, password, qmgr and port. All were supplied. We have used this for both a qmgr on the same machine and one on a different machine. Both worked, even though the documentation says to only run on the same server. One of the parameters available is XA, yes or no. Doc says this specifies whether the eWay participates in a global transaction coordinated by the Integration Server.
Anyway, we can construct SeeBeyond projects and deploy them, which can pull messages off a queue and put messages onto a queue. This is done by using a GUI tool to drag, drop and connect components, including the MQ eWay. Error handling is not well supported. That should really be done in JAVA code, which you can code MQ calls manually in the tool. If you use the eWay, it will poll an input queue continuously until you shut it down.
About connecting a local qmgr to another company's qmgr - that is an MQ issue, not SeeBeyond. SB code can put a message to a local qmgr and MQ will transmit it according to the remote queue definitions. Security is your responsibility. |
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| rammer |
| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Im just about to try and get MQ to talk to SeeBeyond myself, so once tested I will post my findings.
Seebeyond have released version 5 which has seen the Monk language go and it is all JAVA based now. |
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